The Truth (As I see it)

Man, you and your crazy notions!

 

Caught me! Damn laggin connection prevented my virtual post from phasing out of existence in time.

 

What counts as observation in quantum mechanics?

 

Ow! My probability field collapsed! I hope you're going to pay for that, buddy!

 

I will and I won't, if you catch my drift!

 

You know, I've always interpreted the story of the Tower of Babylon as the inevitable divergence of language in an advanced civilisation where each specialised profession or caste develops its own meanings for concepts and words, dooming the temporary tower of knowledge and technology to collapse.

In other words, God will curse us with misunderstanding whenever we try to build a tower to heaven.

 

[Some erroreous Perception] followed by [another erroreous Perception] based on [an erroreous Perception].

Or in other words...

"I am always wrong" is not a self-contradictory statement, it is an perception. Perceptions are not logical, nor do they obey the rules of logic because they are based on what seems to be true and not Truth itself.

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Truth is reality as a whole, and facts are subsets of reality. As science cannot prove reality as a whole, it limits itelf to the subsets which can be proven while religion and philosophy deal with the questions that science cannot answer. (How does this perception hold up?)

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When an argument hinges upon terminology, the person who used the term first gets to define it. ... or to express this differently ... As wayne admitted that I used the term paradox first and also admitted to using a different definition that the one I used, this constitutes an admittance of not understanding the meaning that I intended.

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However, awareness of meaning independent of language allows for understanding of both other languages and of the divides within a language. Therefore, it is possible to overcome that which you speak of, but only by a few. The majority will and for always reject any perception of meaning contrary to their own understanding.

And wayne-scales meanings are foreign to me. (And mine to him.)

 

Surely, if the statement "I am always wrong" is a perception, saying it means you perceive that you're always wrong; and if you perceive that you're always wrong, it would mean that you're wrong in your perception of being always wrong; but if that's true, then you were correct in your assertion that you're always wrong, and then it goes back to the start. That's self-contradictory, since, if it's true, it's false; and if it's false, it's true!

I'm not sure what you think logic is; but that don't make no sense none!

If what you mean is, 'Are there things in nature which appear a certain way, but which aren't the way they appear?', then the answer is yes; e.g., the visual perception of a stick bending in water.

He's right, of course! Science is just a load of fairy-stories we tell our kids! It's based too much on perception! Philosophy is a little bit closer, since it's only based partly on perception; but the random pontifications of religion are surely the best measure of reality, since they're based on no perception whatsoever, and just make it up as they go along! Unfortunately for us, if we want to know the indubitable Truth of religion, we have to perceive it, whereby it is immediately incorrect!

Hey man, I'll admit any crazy thing about anything you want if you give me your mad definitions!

 

Optical Illusions are real and true in the sense that what you see exists, but are false in the sense that what you see is not what IS. Perceptions are the same. Both true and false, depending on your point of view.

Haven't you ever watched Return of the Jedi? (Noting the moment when Ben admits that Darth Vadar killed Anakin Skywalker is only true from a certain point of view.)

 

So what?

 

Logic is that which obeys the rules for patterns. The patterns of numbers for math with the distance between each integer exactly the same. The pattern created in higher mathematics because every math term has only one possible meaning. Through the elimination of ambiguity, we obtain clarity.
But when it comes to perception, there is no clarity; there is no consensus; there is no logic. There is only confusion and uncertainty. When I used the word Paradox, I meant the seeming of contradiction. When you read the word paradox, you read a contradiction. How can perception be logical when it provides two different points of view to two different people?

 

Perception isn't logical in the same way the table isn't logical or your asshole isn't logical. Would you call perception religious? or taut? or knowing? That's not how you use the word.

 

Perception -- from that which is "seen", but not as the eyes see, rather as the Mind sees.

And as you previously asked what the mind is... According to Greeks, the human being is made of four parts, the body, the mind, the heart and the will. The Body is the physical part that does; The Mind is that which thinks; The Heart is that which feels; and the Will is that which decides.

 

Well now, Gross was the first to use the word 'perception' in the thread, so don't you have to wait for his go-ahead to provide a definition?

According to me, the penis is the part which thinks. Who're you gonna believe?

Seriously though, do you have some sort of point that you're trying to make?

 

You asked about my use not his.

My heart before my dick. -- Afterall, I'm the crazy S.O.B. that is telepathically linked to woman so that she knows my deepest darkest sins. -- Which is what I think your problem is: You don't even know how to listen to the part of your heart that is willing to give of itself to others.

You're blind and I wish to give you sight.

 

Well, if you can have a different use of the word 'perception' than the one who is designated to define it, and that is not breaking 'the rules of debate', then I suppose I can use my own definition of 'paradox', so your earlier complaints are obsolete!

And not your dick before your heart before your dick, right?

Yeah, that's probably definitely true! Actually, it won't be long before ytzk comes on here to tell you that we're all telepathically linked (I know this because I'm telepathically linked to ytzk)! What is a sin, anyway? Is that just something you believe in or is it something that's real?

You know, I'd say you're right! I don't know how to listen to the part of my heart that is willing to give of itself to others (one of the valves or atria, presumably, since I'm guessing you must be talking about giving blood, which I indeed do not do), so I can't understand how your blatant contradictions and nonsensical ramblings make sense! I should really stop asking questions, because the foundations are shaky enough as it is! The trick really is to not examine your beliefs too closely, because, if I do, I might notice that they're stupid and be unable to embrace Jesus into my heart! I want Jesus inside of me!

Well, if Jesus could raise people from the dead, I'm sure a little blindness is nothing to him! But more to the point, I'm not really sure what exactly your point actually is, if it's somehow supposed to be made by talking about how optical illusions can seem like magic but are actually not. Don't they teach you how to be relevant and give substance to your argument in your rhetoric class?

 

Perception: noun
That which is percieved which is in the mind of the observer, and not nessecarily in objective reality.
You may continue.

 

What?

 

Yeah, I thought you'd object. My definition is the exact opposite of what a rational mind would admit to. Essentially, it makes everything I see, hear, touch, smell, or taste, real.
Oh, I spelled necessarily wrong. My bad.

 

No, I was not objecting; I was just hoping you'd fall into the trap of saying 'definition'! That's my word! You can't just go calling anything you want a definition!

Edit: Does Xyle remind anyone else of Michael Scott from The Office?