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Yes, a confederation of city states. Were there elections? Communism is where the workers rule the government, and the leader is just a representative of them. I.e. democratic elections. All the good and resources are pooled. I.e. an extremely leftist socio-economic system.

 

Exactly xzbyte. I doubt such a coincidence that an Ancient culture could represent marxist socialism.

I was under the impression that Marx set the ball going for communism to develope but that he was a form of socialist and not communist. Russia is "communist" in its own bolshevik way. What the USSR set out to do it did in the form of a government. Just like America isn't or other country that perfectly represents capitalism Russia didn't represents the the utopian society Marx pictured (at all).

 

To have a communism state elections arenot neccary as 99% of the population where unable to read and write. The wealth was share to maintain socical peace. Look at the Election in America the dumb voter reelect than total idiot to office. Allah sent me than vision of America being defeat by Islam and America being rule by Muslims only voteing and holding offices.

 

Karls Marx study ancient history and cultures and it influence his idears.

 

That wasn't a vision from Allah, that was just your spastic mind.
Even though the muslims dramatically outnumber all the U.S... heh...

 

Come on Chunky you've seen all these god damn Indonesian muslims have. Their invasion force consists of que jumpers in rickity old boats.

 

Greek and Rome influence American government, but we don't COPY their systems. Regardless of his influences, Marx was original. Also, the economics you seem to be grasping easily, however the governmental ideas seem to be almost lost on you. Elections are the only way I can imagine it working, but like I said, Marx was original, he may have had another system worked up.

In true Marxism the workers rule the government, and so the leader must represent the people in some way, and therefore cannot simply be a dictator, or rule with mocked elections like in the USSR. Also, you have to remember that Marxism was never intended for underdeveloped nations like tsarist Russia or pre-Mao China. Marx was under the assumption that industrailized nations, with high literacy rates, would be the first to opt for communism, and therefore elections would have been feasible.

Like I said, it's never happened, so we can't conjecture about what ills true communism entails, or weigh them against the weals of such a system.

 

Yes, Marxist-socialism never happened but Lennon/Stalin socialism/communism did because that's what they called it.

Ho Chi Minh set up communism in Vietnam trying to base it around Marxism but his successors screwed it up royally (it's not true to Marxism) and that could be a demonstration that communism is not suited to humans.

I don't know how we got to arguing about Marx but the point of the topic was people who claim to be communists are idiots, now that could just be a close minded point of view where "your ideology is bad 'cause it's not mine". Verz's point was he hates people who claim to be communists because its 'cool' and I think that's applicable to all other ideologies and I do agree that 'communism' is a fad to some people but the rest about nazism seems a bit non sequitur.

 

Hight tech, hight maintain hardware is no gurrant of victory. When the found of Islam was alive the muslim won some battle against than foe who outnumber then and have better epquiment than they. Once the Eastern Roman Empire enter the fighting against him in the war between him and idiot workshipper in Mecca. They have 50,000 Eastern Roman Empire troop and 200,000 Christian Arab from around the Arabian pensult that board the Eastern roman empire. 9000 muslim troop fought so well that even thought they where force to retreat the Eastern Roman Emporour divide to withdraw from the Arabian area. The muslim inflict heavy lost on the Eastern Roman Empire and they Christian Arab Ally. 20000 Eastern Roman troop where either kill of so badly wound to be unable to fight for along time. The Emporous have to think there might be than other muslim army waiting for him deeper in Arabian derest.

 

Also America Ecomony is on the verg of collapseing our trade debit of over 600 billion dollar with rest of the world, and budget debit of over 500 billion dollar mean America will borrow 800 billion dollar from China and Japon. Our job are going oversea to China and Asia. The America people arenot the saver they ounce where. China is gathering they force to invade Taiwan and there is agood change that North Korea will lanch than invadeing of South Korea. Idoit President will fire than ICBM at Mecca and it will be destory before it reach Mecca and for launch than attack to destory Mecca the whole Muslim world inclureing all sect will put aside their differents to launch holy war on America ships in the sea.

 

CHARLES USED THE WORD ALSO! HE HAS LINKED HIS MANDATORY TWO POSTS INTO ONE COHESIVE TRAIN OF THOUGHT! ALLAH BE PRAISED!

Ok, enough of that. Yea Sea Dog, that's pretty fucking obvious. Anyone who follows a belief because it's "in" is quite retarded. But it's just as ignorant ot be casting out generalizations about ideologies that you know little to nothing about. I'm reffering to verz, not you, to avoid any misunderstanding.

 

Peace out. I don't know as much this as you Blinky so you are the higher power in this-I doubt I could give a proper run down of communism without slipping up somewhere or being too general.

The technology then was at least on similar during that time period, while today the majority of Muslims don't have it in their head to destroy world powers and couldn't if they tried because they aren't organized (have no radio and can't co-ordinate attacks) don't have enough AK's in the right places nor enough people of the right mind in the right places.

On your whole spiel about the Eastern Roman Empire, you are identifying a race with a religion, which is wrong, the people of the Arabian deserts long resisted Rome’s incursions Mohammed did crap because he had the means not because Allah willed it. Rome at that time had few good troops because the legions were off guarding its other borders and Mohammed took the empire somewhat by surprise and it was mainly auxiliaries Mohammed faced not Roman legionaries. The Arabs on the Roman side were pushed into service much like auxiliaries and wouldn't have much will to fight.

1) Obviously they did not well if they didn't win
2) Rome withdrew because it was a waste of troops needed elsewhere to hold a place of low economic value
3) 9000 cannot beat an army of 250,000 in a pitched battle unless we're in your fairyland or there was some great incompetency or mass routing on the Roman side.
I find your figures doubtful. Especially if you got your figures from the Koran and when Rome's historians wouldn't paint such a picture.

Where? One man hiding under a rock? By the time Mohammed had rocked up Constantinople had stopped advancing into the desert because there was no point and due to the staunch resistance of the locals, who were doing it before Islam came anyway. Again I think you're making that little titbit about the Emperor making a published statement that he thought the Arabs had another army.

 

Don't try to make me seem like the big mental bully, it's not a matter of being too general, it's a matter of verz, not knowing anything substantial about communism, passing it off like it's some ridiculous idea, and it's responsible for all these wrongs. You at least use your head when you talk about things, which is all that is really required for anyone to talk about anything. I just get aggravated when people complain about others who follow a belief in ignorance, and then attack that belief in ignorance, because they truly are two sides of the same coin.

 

It was actural 50,000 vs 9000 as the other 200,000 didnot want to fight at all. It wasnot than pitch battle but a number of smaller battle in which the Muslim repeated charge the Roman forces. Allah was on they side so they fought without fear of dieing. In modern time in WWII Tio tiny band was surrend by Germany and their Cosare allies. Tio army number only 10,000
against 50,000 Germany troop and 200,000 Cosare. Than moive was make of it rent it on VSH. Tio man took a city held by Italy when he past down to the force of 3000 freedom fighter that they must captive that city in one night. And they did it by defeating 30,000 Itain troop. Then Tio main force of 9000 make than mountrain pass forceing the Germany Panzer Div to move from covering the one bridge across the river after Tio order it blown up. Tio man plant Hight Explose charge on the mountrian side overlooking the pass they let the Germany Infan and 10 tanks pass before set off the charge which cause than landslide of rocks which destory afew Germany tanks. 1000 freedom fighter with woman and childern took the rubble of the blowen up bridge to built than foot bridge across the river. The Germany force that across the mountrain pass
fought Tio 9000 men as soon as they enter the Vally, Tio hid artillary behind the hill with spotter on the top of hill. Tio defeat the Germany forces. Then his army across the foot bridge to engauge the 200,000 Cosare on the other side than cross the Cosare to reteat like a bat from hell.

One Muslim pirson was caught by the Roman and Emporous question him why afew man frought so fiecre against his Army. The Muslim told him about his faith in Allah and about Islam that the Emporous dicide that the Muslim where alot like Christian compore to the Pagan in Mecca, the Muslim told the Emporous that they donot believe in the Trinity as how can
one God be divide into three. So the emporous order his army to withdraw. Before this 317 muslim and people from Medine with only 17 camel no armour and armed with only spear fought than Mecca Army of 3000 with 300 horsemen with scalemail armour and swords. The Muslim defeat this force.

In away the Muslim won they battle with the Roman Empire they mission was to stop it from reaching Medine where they would have destory Islam.

The Muslim world isnot as backward you seem to think they are. America is starting to be backward in many way like the taken away of freedom of speech under the Pariot Act. Than wealthly nation like America with 45 million people with no medical coverage of any kind while across the broad
there is health coverage for all Mexican. Medine have no allied in they fight against Mecca with most tribe on Mecca side. The way the Muslim fought against overwhelm odd encourage tribes to switch from supporting Mecca to support Medine this include pagon tribes.

 

I CAN'T believe I read all of that crap...

 

Read?.... I can't believe it got written.

 

*giggle* so the muslims fought the romans because of an overdue video rental? weak!

 

Blinky, I was trying to make you out in to a mental bully. I was saying peace because I agreed. I do think that Verz's post was not posed intelligently and ultimately I was bowing to you as the higher power in the whole argument.

Charles, Mohammed fought auxilaries. Shit un-Roman conscripts, every good soldier would of been fighting for Rome's other borders. There have been many, many greater battles fought than this withouth the aid of Allah. The whole history of Europe makes Islam seem small in comparison. Ancient Greece, Rome to modern times etc.

"Tio" didn't actually fight a Panzer Division then he fought Rifle regiments and had the element of suprise, not Allah. He wasn't even muslim. And we all know Italian troops weren't worth the rifles the carried. All you're establishing is it wasn't a God that prevailed when Mohammed fought Rome but men.
The historical facts are as soon as the Wehrmacht recovered, the freedom fighters got routed/disentegrated and Tito escaped leaving Yugoslavian citizens to cop shit from pissed off German soldiers.
Don't get your history from movies, read a book or atleast watch the history channel instead of a commercial movie.

There is no muslim world. There is no united religious front. Turkey is trying to joing the EU and it's one of the largest muslim countries (by economy and land), Iraq is fucked, Palestine is fucked. No predominantly muslim country can do diddly-squat. Religion is no longer a predominant reason for war. Face it your glory days of defending the Holy Land from infidels is over.

 

90% of the Eastern Rome Empire Army where local troop of than part time nature. One of the reason for Western Roman Empire fall was the hight cost of raiseing and maintrain than 400,000 men army. The Eastern Roman Empire maintrain and raise than small core of full time soldier of about 50,000 to 100,000 men. The local troop where as well train and as well equip as the core troop. The Germany never recover from Tio attack the Yugoslavian front was than other front you didnot want to be post to. That area he excape from was never captive by the Germany. Tio have Serf troop and officer that refuse to surrend when they government did, he have muslim who fought with him also. In 1943 England was planning than air camp to destory Germany force in Yugoslavian they carry out air recon and ground recon and they where suprise that the Germany Military
was in disarry in Yugoslavian being attack and destory by Tio forces. Tio even have his own tanks corp make up of captive Germany tanks and repair and maintrain by his own man. England gave some armed and support also. The Russian front ate up alot of Germany units and supply. When Germany invade Yugoslavian in 1941 1,000,000 men took part only 100,000 where Germany troop in 1943 almost all troop where Germany. The Cosas troop the Germany use before where the wrong type they where men who loved to beat and abuse women, childern and old people
who where unable to fight back but they where corrowd when faceing people who fight back. So when Tio 10,000 attack the 200,000 Cosas troop they ran away. In theb West we donot treach Islamist history at all Muslim where fiece fighter defending they religion so when that Roman army was marching on Medine the pagon in Mecca thought nothing will save Medine now the might of the Roman Empire and the number of they troop make then unstopable. When 9000 men muslim force kept attacking the Roman Army in aday long battle of hit and run attack of melee only 1000 muslim where killed. They faith make them fight the way they did. It tip the scale in they favor with Allah help which weaken the moral of the 200,000 Arab Christian who didnot fight that day. There was no sat or airborn recon in those day so the Empore have to think there might be more muslim out there and it 8000 who withdraw join then and it they fight
like they did and the Christan Arab ally donot fight at all it willnot be the cake walk the Mecca said it will be my man welcome with flower being thrown at then. Sound like Bush saying our troop will have than cake walk and be greet with flower being thrown at then. After Muhammad took Mec ca He wrote letter to all the major power around Him at his time. The Persian sent back than insulting reply and Muhammad said Allah say the Persian Empire will be defeat and turn Islamist which they where. The Roman where undecide about Islam. It was the Roman who first threaten the Muslims. They army was order again to menace the allies of the Muslim in northern Arabia, Muhammad march than small army all the way
to the borders of Syria. Mysteriously the Byzantines back down and withdrew army than western history say. It no mystery why the Byzantine back down as they fought the Muslim before and knew how tought than battle with then will be.

In 1943 Tio force number about 100,000 men and women. Women fought in his army.