You're both dodging the issue. Buying drinks for people is an acceptable social activity. Trying to have sex with someone is also an acceptable social activity (some of the time). You can't ban either of those things, and you can't come up with a number of drinks that it's okay to offer someone, because everyone has different alcohol tolerances. You also can't prescribe formulas for sexual contact. "It's okay to put your hand down her pants if a) she has kissed you back, or b) the pitch of her moan is above 341 Hz. Kissing back is defined as a responding force greater than 0.02 Newtons..." "Come on, Smuel, it's obvious whether or not a woman is interested." Is it though? Given the number of men who go too far, and then afterwards say that they never meant any harm, it looks like it may not be very obvious for some people. You also get cases in the other direction - a woman is interested, but nothing happens, and then months later the man slaps his forehead and says "Wait, she was flirting with me! I'm such an idiot!" Add alcohol into the mix, and the ambiguity only increases. This isn't a recent phenomenon either - men complaining that women are difficult to understand is a timeless cliché. So glib lines on a forum about "It's easy, just don't put your hand down her pants unless she's into it, duh" start to look less like a clear and helpful guideline. Assuming that we all want to improve the situation, the question is - how do we actually do that? What concrete steps can we take? "Let's call out men like Chris Avellone and shame them publically!" This doesn't work, for the simple reason that men like Avellone don't think they're doing anything wrong. Instead it creates an us-vs-them situation with "Social Justice Warriors" on one side and "Men's Rights Activists" on the other. As I said, Avellone isn't about to take a long hard look at himself because a bunch of people on Twitter say that he's the scum of the earth. "I don't care what goes through Chris Avellone's head, and I don't care whether he changes his behaviour." Umm... isn't Chris Avellone changing his thoughts and behaviour the supposed goal of the exercise? Personally I would prefer to live in a world where he stops relying on alcohol and nobody else has to endure his clumsy seduction techniques. If you're assuming that calling him out on Twitter means that the problem goes away... well... in a sense it will, because after he's no longer high profile, Twitter won't care any more whether he gets some random woman drunk and fondles her or not. So it will no longer appear in your newsfeed. Of course that's not addressing the real problem. The real problem isn't "acclaimed RPG writer groped unwilling woman". It's "man groped unwilling woman". We can all spew our moral outrage such that the man in question loses his job and can no longer write RPGs, but that achieves exactly none of our stated goals. If anything, Avellone will now have more time on his hands to go out and get drunk with women. "Yeah, but other men will take it as a warning and change their behaviour." No they won't. Remember - those men don't think they're doing anything wrong. Some of them will rally to Avellone's defence. MRA websites will use it as an example of how SJWs are out to destroy civilization. But most men will look at it and shrug and think "Well I'm not a creepy rapist, so this obviously doesn't apply to me." And they'll think the same thing even if their behaviour is equivalent to Avellone's. "Fine, Smuel, if you're so smart, what concrete steps do you suggest?" This is where things break down. I don't actually know what to do. I suspect it's something along the lines of reducing slut shaming and other inhibitory forces such that neither sex feels that alcohol is a useful crutch to pave the way to sexual intercourse. However, I'm pretty sure that what's not helping is picking a high profile man to shame and get fired, when the only known documented offence that he committed was to make a single drunken pass at a woman, back off when she said no, and then subsequently try to make it up to her by doing things like escorting her to a train station at 4:30am. Or you can ignore all this, and continue to trot out your moral outrage at people like Chris Avellone. You're safe from the mob, right? The moral outrage will never be directed at you, because hey, you're not a creepy rapist. Good morning.