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fatman speaks as if hes a wise sage sitting in his sheriff office drinking moonshine. fatty says it like it is and says it in a way that is very hard to disagree with, which i dont anyway.
this is what im thinking you want us to hear is this eros. you have the right to sought the enemy out. i dont think anyone disagrees with you but someone has to keep the usa in check or the whole world will be little americas. *shivers* .extreme axaggeration.
clearify who the enemy is cause ive been hearing high level people saying different things. its bin and alqueda not the afgans. ive heard it was afganistan nation cause it habours bin. so its 2 different wars depending on who is talking.
what is it for any of the other nations involved?
the situation is assed and not worth getting worked up over anyway. wait till the next phase of the war. mess with iraq again then... hell its played the role of the weak fat assed person in jail already. i wonder if it can handal if bombings intensify. i dont know how frequent it is today but ten years of bombing a nation. can anyone say people grown to hate america and england. thats a brutal act that we seem to forget about. how many iraqies killed americans and how many americans have killed iraqies. im kind of worried cause it took our government 1 day to condemn the sep 11 bombing. maybe we will be next.
isreal can wait till i get real fat then kiss the fattest part of my fat ass. i have never seen a bigger bunch of wankers in my life. they deserve a middle east uprising to smack the crap out of them. i dont want to even start. theres just too much. as for charelsbhoff saying they have the wrong pm. yes. i think he proved that even before he was elected.

my last thoughts.
theres alot of screwed up places in the world at the moment and you can bet religion has alot to do with it.
itll kill us all one day.

 

Yeah, but at least we'll get an afterlife out of it.

 

that may be true. so you should all stand back and let the atheists have run of the place. we're only gonna get 70 or so years while youve got all time. well untill the universe burns out. which is a few more years over 70.
so be considerate and let us have fun while we are here and stop blowing things up in the name of someperson. unless youre unsure but your belife.

 

No, goddammit, no! I will not sit idly by and let someone else run the world!

As it happens, Lysa has an army of robot minions hanging around from one her previous world domination plans. Now we're married, I'm going to use them to trample the globe in a wave of destruction, bringing blood and fire to my enemies, until I have guaranteed - beyond any chance or doubt - that every last man, woman and child is able to partake of life, liberty, property, truth, freedom, (some others I have probably missed) and the ... ah ... Sheriffican Way!

Be warned, that during the ... period of change ... anyone found acting in an alien or unacceptably different manner, or otherwise causing me to feel uncomfortable, will be pointed at, laughed at, and finally slain in the most painful way my robots can perform. For your own safety, I would advise you to just copy what the robots do - after all, they are your saviours.

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<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Sheriff Fatman on 2001-12-25 04:58 ]</font>

 

OK Sheriff Fatass

Since you wish to take the kid gloves off and start flaming I will be most happy to join you. First of all I do not see anyone telling you exactly how you should write. So what the hell makes you think you have a write to DICKtate to me how I should write? I never ONCE said I was speaking for my country but if I were too I am CERTAIN of the fact that I would be better equipt to address the feelings of my countrymen then your lard ass. Why? because I was BORN and RAISED here idiot.

When I did use the royal "we's" I was speaking of myself and my extended family not the whole freakin country. Oh you say you did not know that? well maybe you should give up "ASSuming", quoting me out of context and spreading drible that only illiterates seem to support.

I knew from the second that you began quoting me that you were not trying to make me "understand" anything but you wanted to us me as a poster boy / springboard for your platform. To me that makes you rather pathtic seeing how the points you expose to are all pointless. And if you think I am going to take the time to go over your whole oratory and post your quotes here and waste my time replying to them point by point, then you are both sad and mistaken. I am not half the anal-retentive dick that you seem to be.

I don't do what you tell me to do and I don't act how you want me to act. Why? because you sir are an idiot and as an adult it is my right to reconize this and to avoid it. Unfortunaitly when idots like yourself are always jumping up infront of my face begging for a bone it's hard for me to avoid.

In closing before I get branded a flamer and yelled at let me say, I twice tried to give credance to Fatboys thoughts and to respect his rights and to keep the dialog civil. Read his last post in reply to me and tell me how nice he was in his reply.

"Don't start nothin there won't be nothin" I love that saying cause it fits me to a "T" . Jerks like fatgirl think they can tell everyone the proper way to think and feel and then insult them if they have the nerve not to agree. Like that solves shit, the only thing you have managed to do is start a flame war which if you stay your predictable course I will be happy to continue until either I get banned or this thread gets erased. one way or the other when you show no respect then please be prepared to recieve no respect.

I totally stand by my POV's and feel them both well founded and vaild. Don't like it? then don't read it. Feel a need to respond directly to me and be insultive at the same time? Fine then you get what your dumb ass paid for.

And until you have lived in my country don't ASSume for one second that you know or understand my country.

You are dismissed....

 

Eros Rex, I do not want a war of any kind with you. I'd say we have both put our points in our own ways, and we both walk away unconvinced because our discussion has now degenerated into something less meaningful.

I would like to apologise for giving you the wrong impression about some of my suggestions, I hope these apologies go some way towards calming the rage you obviously feel.

• I did not mean to give the impression that I am a better person to speak for the US government than you are: I don't believe either of us can speak for them.
• I suggested quoting because I thought I may have forgotten something I said earlier in the thread. It's a long (and quite depressing) thread, so I didn't want to have to read it all to find out how I might have given you the impression I lived in the Middle East.
• If I quoted you out of context, I am extremely sorry. I know that I break my quotes up to address each of your points individually, but I thought I had included your whole post altogether. I hope you can believe that I would not have deliberately quoted you out of context. I address the points individually because I believe that it is only fair in these types of discussions to give all points raised by someone else fair and due consideration. As a show of good faith, this time I quoted you in your entirety.

Like I said, I do not want to be responsible for, or even contribute to, the start or prolonging of a conflict.

As you point out, we're both adults, and I'm sure we would prefer to behave like adults rather than resorting to name-calling and insults when we have no worthwhile points to make.

How about we call it quits and consign this thread to the depths of ignominy where it belongs? Maybe one of the mods will even lock it for us to ensure its disappearance.

 

I don't feel rage I only respond to OUTrage and my words are then meant to cut deeply in order top prevent me to getting to the point where I actually do get up set. No sir it would take much more then words to upset me. I can honestly say that I did not like the way you talked down to me, but thoughts of rage never entered me. And this is what I mean by miss quoting and out of context. You took my whole post and still managed to factor in a quality and trait that I had no intent on expressing.

Anyway I will say this YET AGAIN. A lot of your points are valid and I once again respect your right to share them. I have only one peace of advice try not to address peps like they were children. Adults won't like it and children sure won't take to it either.

Your points are vaild and I do respect the POV you present in other posts. I do not want NOT to like you I never have. But if you want to singal my posts out and talk to me then do so with a little respect and I promise that your respect will be returned to you 10 fold. But I also promise that a lack there of will be returned 10 fold as well.

Anyway I ain't mad at ya I was really only trying to make you even more mad at me. Having failed in that I can suck it in and accept your apology.

 

as a illiterate inbreed fool i dont know how i could ever disagree with your massive brain there eros. im assuming im the one as you said it somewhere else to.

its like theres two camps here. you are clearly in one and i know im in one that you are not. different views for different people.

you said that sheriff took things you said out of contexts. look back and you will find you have been doing that since the begining. you are really bad at that or is it good at it. its like people twist words to better there argument.

living in america seems to make you an expert it seems or so you say. you are saying that we cant judge you because we dont live there. thats what i would expect from people who are trying to hide things. the chinese do that dont they and there those dirty freedom hating commie baastards arnt they. interesting.

you would like people out side of america to not judge you. then isolate america. once you step outside your territory your up for scrutiny by who ever chooses too and same goes for its citizens.

 

Hey carl as soon as I can make any since of what you typed I will reply to it. But I do find it amusing that everytime America has TRIED to isolate itself (pre WWI AND pre WWII) The world has come cring to U.S. for help. Well we are in it up to our ears now so I guess whatever country you come from will have to deal with it....

 

i dont expect you to be able to understand me eros. like you say im a fool.

people havent come crying to the usa. give me an example of when people came crying to the usa for help. it better be a good one or i want even bother to reply to it.

as you said your up to your punami in it arnt you. what a pity for you eros. responsibility. what do the say that is? what a shame.

 

one excellent example my funny little idiot would be the way England manuvered U.S. into WWII. They had information that could have prevented Pearl Harbor if shared with U.S., but they did not share it with U.S. because they knew that the attack would draw U.S. into the war.

As for the rest of your post I can tell that you are likly a very bitter little troll who has no idea what he is speaking about. This comforts me greatly so I feel no need to address your invalid points.

You wish to dislike U.S. for what ever reason I really don't care as long as you keep buying our products (like Arcanum :grin: ). Why should I care? and If you stop then that means you would not know about forums like this to post your ignorance too again I win so again I don't care. As long as I don't have to wear pants that say "made in Iraq" (or what ever hole you crawled out of) I could give a fuck less what you think. unk:

So how ya like that Carly?

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Eros Rex on 2001-12-27 20:55 ]</font>

 

that england holding onto info thing was lame. i thought you would say that too. that worked both ways. the laxed attitude at pearl harbour i think helped with it. so what. you get the info in time. your in the war anyway cause you have to defend what is going to happen. you go off and fight the japs in the pacific. at least the way it happened it gave the people more a sense of wanting justice. probably the best thing the brits did for america in the war. that was defianatly not crying too america.

the rest of what you said. your so big and strong and i want to be wise like you eros. buying american products. hell i buy what i want to and can afford cause i live in a free country. i dont care where it comes from. well as long as its not from sweat shops etc. now who would be so evil as to use them anyway.

bitter. im doing fine here just saying stuff. maybe you are reflecting onto me what you are feeling.

hows that erosy?

 

Ouch! now that hurt! ok there is your one kernal of truth and I take my hat off to you. Yeap many Americans do tend to puit the "pig" in money grubing pigs. It is a terrible thing to take advantage of those weaker then you in the name of your own prosperity on this I will agree.

By the way I never said that you were inbreed I know nothing of your heritage and I would not presume to insult it unless moved to do so.

Maybe you are both right maybe I am insensative to the plights of others less fortunate. I was not always that way but losing so many friends during 9/11 has left me a little bitter.

Destroying innocent people and their countries is not the right or moral thing I know this in my heart. But to be honest I really don't know what other recourse there is. It seems like the whole world is coming appart and all the talking seems to only make people more angry.

I am not a hater even though I am very sure that I have come across as one. I am simply frustrated at all these people saying that they want peace and at the same time killing others to try and get it. Sure more violance is not the answer but it sure doesn't seem to me like more talking is going to help either. Who's right or wrong? I honestly can't say possibly neither or maybe both, or maybe there is some other answer out there that we have yet to come to soon. All I know is that the effects of 9/11 is going to effect the lives of everyone we hold dear. The die has been cast and I am not certain that there is anyway out of it. I no longer look towards the future I fear it. I don't like to fear anything but their is a great darkness coming and if something is not done it will envelope us all. Maybe nothing that I have said here has helped matters at all but I honestly don't see how things can get much worst.

How can we fight terrorist without affecting the soveriegnty of the nations hosting them? If we disregard their sovereignty then how far do we dare go before other nations band against us? But if we don't then what, do we wait for the next bomb or the next Hijacking?

I don't have any answers the only thing that I do know is that when faced with a rock and a hard place on must make a choice to either fight or flee, and I am sorry but I just ain't the fleeing kind.

anyway Carl a very good point thanks for expressing it....

 

i dont have a problem with the usa fighting terrorism. i said this before and i dont think others have a problem with it either. im more intertested in the big picture.
if you get inwardly focused (9 - 11) you cant see the big picture. outwardly focused you cant really see it anyway but it can be easier.
well thats all im going to say about the whole issue now.

as for my issues on gay people. i dont know what youre on about RE: lotr page.
i care not for what people do. i have no fors or for nots. i dont care. i dont see why people make an issue out of such things. much more important things to go on about.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: carlstar on 2001-12-27 22:08 ]</font>

 

Wow.
I'm just glad you all are venting in here, instead of out in the other threads, because that would be bad...

 

Lemme tell you something that I find weird Eros. In my younger days I was the son of a diplomat. I atteneded the best schools. Everyone knows that these schools are american. The thing is they are nothing like famed low level normal american schools why? Because they are for all the dimplomatic children. Now in these schools you know what they taaught me? Before WWII and WWI USA was in DEEP ECONOMICAL SHIT. They were an agricaltural country. They needed the war to survive. Now this is just what I was taught. Nothing more. How about the Civil war? The only reason the North was interested was the south had a very large cheap labor force. The slaves. They needed them. America closed it's borders soon after that. But everytime it did, it would soon find it's self in deep shit. No country can survive isolated. It's impossible.

 

Hey eros, as a fellow american, I understand your pain, grief, and sense of loss. We were the victims of a terrible tragedy on 9/11.

But let me say one thing. I stood in tears...... IN TEARS, let me tell you, when I heard PM Tony Blair speaking on the radio on that day. The thought of so many nations standing behind, no, not behind, BESIDE us in our tragedy left me teary-eyed and speechless. It was at that moment that I felt the most comforted and peaceful since the first plane hit. I do think that you, Eros, have taken a few, just a few, mind you, things out of context. I don't think that Sheriff fatman was flaming you. If anything, I think he is pretty much on the same page as you and I are.

It is sad to me, that a few weeks after 9/11 that all the media and hype turned back to their narcissistic, pessimistic views. It seems everybody is arguing about the little differences of opinion, that every one of us share. I think the most important thing is that we united for the first time in my life, really united, in brotherhood. We are all just a small, small, part of a really big wheel, and it takes every one to keep that wheel rolling. I do agree that the U.S. has made some stupid decisions at times, and that we stick our noses in places they don't belong at times, but I'm not going to get into that. We are all of the same general opinion, from reading other posts, but with some few SMALL diff. I don't think that important in the very least.

(I'm off my soapbox now.) :grin:

 

Hey Jinxed yes you are correct we were in deep economic dodo just before both world wars. Yes you are right that no country is an island we have tried this and failed. But it is just as true that dispite our dire economic straights the U.S. was still storngly oppossed to taking sides for very good reason.

1) up until WWI england was a pain in our butts the mother that scorned the child as it were. and Germany was probly doing what we secretly would have like to seen done to them after all the pain we had suffered at her hands (we had to revolt against English control ourselves).

2) Our ties to Germany were much stronger then most people are aware. During the late 1700's the U.S.A had to pick an official langue. there were only to lanagues to pick and one might think it would be between French and English but it was not it was between English and German! English won and thus increased our common heitage. I think history might be very different if German had won out, from what I understand it was a VERY close vote.

Hey Retard thanks for your words I think I agree with most of what you are saying. For a while though I must say I thought I was the only American here (except for Feldon). Which also explains my heightened since of deffensiveness I guess.