Is there romance in the game?

I lost a friend that way too. Not that he became a lesbian, but moved away across the country. Well technically it was half way across the country since I am in the central US.

Why did you lash out so against lesbians if you had a friend that was one? It seems odd to me. I guess you just got caught up in the moment.

 

one thing Morty her friend was not lesbian
she was bisexual. Now I don't want to start an argument. But lets think of this situation: You are hetero. youre best friend is hetero. You're good friends now suddenly he tells you he's gay. you tell youreself it makes no difference but after a while you start thinking "whats that stain, did he gice a guy a blowjob today?". or "is he making a move on me?" I think that after a revelation like this concerning sex orientation people tend to stop coexisting.
it's just how MOST people are, it not their fault. I would never want a situation like this in my life. simply 'cause I don't know how would I react. Reason is alot different from subconscious. you mostly don't have any control over it. its like love.

 

I have never had a friend say they were gay or nothing, but my friends know that I am not so if they were gay they would know that they will get know where. I believe my best friends feel they could tell me they were gay with out the fear of losing my friendship.

In fact my very strait Goth roommate here at college has been complimented by many woman that he can put on his make-up better than they can. He does not do it much anymore, but women love him decked out in full make-up. I have no clue how women like a man in make-up, but it seems to happen.

I have also known several people that were gay, and personally I have no problem with them. Do you think every woman that talks to you just wants your body? Gay's and lesbians are not out for any and every member of their sex.

As far as the lesbian friend thing I sit corrected.

And yes I am very open-minded. It's kind of the philosophy of my sig.

 

open minded? to new ideas and ways? nudge, nudge, wink, wink. Sure, but alas most people suffer from homophobia and that's the thuth.

 

homophobia - The fear of homo sapiens. I fear some of them sometimes. :wink:

 

really? than what's the name of the phioba that is gay related?
I did not know there such a general phobia as fear of homo sapiens. I mean thet is too general for me.

 

Would someone who likes gays be a Homopheliac?

 

Actually, you were right the first time. Sorry to confuse you. I used it for Homo sapiens because it worked (obviously it confused you :smile and I do not like the term. I do know some people that I fear in a way so that is why I said that. People that I was referring to that I fear are any people that force their closed minded views on how others should live. It is hard to believe that that small post was saying so much, but that is how I usually post and think. No wonder nobody ever understands me. :wink:

 

Slightly off-topic on Baldur

If you decompile the data file and read the scripts for the dialogs in Baldur's Gate 2, you will find that Valygar has dialog patterns which correspond to those of the other NPC relationships. It seems like this romance was added to Throne of Bhaal in response to the general unease most people felt around Anomen. I am not sure why this romance was removed. I do know that the actual voice sound files that should have been attached were not there. Just a neat anecdote for the disgruntled ladies.
I do not think a same-sex romance would have worked in Arcanum. The way in which the romance is inserted into the program appears to use a much simpler set of flags than Baldur's Gate. In Baldur's Gate, there were a number of event timers running in the background, and they would stop or start based on a wide range of triggers. In Arcanum, for Raven at least, the romance dialogs are dropped into set conversations, usually occuring when you asked Raven about the quest or some area. The only triggers appeared to be gender, race, charisma, and current alignment. If gender was not taken into account, everyone who wanted to play the game with a female would get this romance automatically, as it happens with many high-charisma male characters (or just Raven hitting on her constantly).
I guess in the end, you have to look at target audience demographics. If more males are expected to buy a game, the designers will expect most created characters to be male, and plan accordingly. Likewise, of the females expected to buy the game, they may take in account what percentage of them might be lesbians. Simple statistics.
On another note, how does the romance work for the psychic dark elf? I haven't had the heart to play a truly evil character long enough do find out.


<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: paladin129 on 2001-11-30 21:55 ]</font>

 

OK well I am Gay, if you must label me. I find women to be both physicaly and sexual attractive but I prefur male companionship because i seem to bond better with the guys. For these reason I can understand Paladains reasoning regarding the marketing of a product to a certain demographic but I also totally feel kitten's pov. The problem is not the demographics but the fact that hetrosexual males are often the ones in charge of interpreting them! Straight males make up 90% of the games yet they do not compose even 35% of the market that they cater too. I do believe that straight men of this generation to try hard to identify with other cultures and orintations a hell of alot more then the generation before them but there is still a far way to go. I think Arcanum did well for male role-players (straight or gay I rped both) but not as well for female rp (personally I have no desire to rp female but I can empathize with the pov).

Personally I think the whole sex thing is a joke. Mortals always tend to make things so much more difficult then it needs to be. You see a gal you like and she likes you or you see a guy you like and he likes you what is the big deal? Live and let laugh is what I say. I personally have no time for folks that would judge me and yet no nothing of me! A persons ability to love should never be held captive to another persons ability to fear what they know nothing of.

 

You do realise that the women in Madam Lil's are prostitute's don't you? I mean, that's what prositutes do - they have sex with people who pay them for it.

I find your homophobia offensive. Somone I know turned out to be gay, but that hasn't changed my relationship with that person. I'm okay with it, and I think it's people like you who promote homophobia that keep society from moving forward. There's nothing wrong with homosexuality. Like someone (I think it was colonel_mortimer) said, people obey their hormones.

If you find yourself attracted to someone, even if they are of the same sex, then you are attracted to that person. If it bothers you so much that it'd be a same sex relationship, have a sex change operation (that is, of course, if you were planning to live with this person for the rest of your life).

As long as a guy doesn't crack onto me (I KNOW that I'm not gay), then live and let live. Why people can't tolerate homosexuality is beyond me. Sure, I find it strange at times, but not repulsive like you seem to do (Bonnie_Kitten that is).

 

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I suppose I will add my opinion on this, as well. Personally, I am of two minds on homosexuality in general. This is due to the fact that I have no concept of what exactly causes it. Emotionally, it makes perfect sense. Humans are not mentally prevented from forming emotional attachments to people of their own gender. You may love a brother, or a sister, or a very close friend in such a way. In this sense, love is just an strong form of friendship, the human need for companionship.
The problem with this lies in the physical extension of these feelings. Society today seems to have difficulty separating love from lust. Sex has evolved into the end-all of proofs of love. Being straight, I am not sure whether homosexual men are either driven to it by hormones, or just a desire to prove an especially strong emotional attachment. There remains the third possibility; that they simply find it a more pleasing form of recreation. I must say I have a good deal of contempt for anyone who views intercourse as "recreation," gay or straight.
If out of the above options, the answer lies in hormones, then is homosexuality a disease? It does not seem to be a beneficial condition in terms of evolution, as no offspring can come of it.
The problem I have with homosexuality is that it seems to me to be an escape. I do not know many gays, but many I do know have had a history of bad relationships, or the lack of any relationships at all. Many guys have a lot of trouble communicating with women, but they have a much better grasp of the male psyche. In this case, being gay may seem like an easier way out.
I do tire of the homosexual community branding anyone who feels uncomfortable with their lifestyle as "close-minded", or "homophobic." There are concrete biological reasons why people feel uncomfortable with the idea. These instincts are the same as those which tell us incest is wrong. Both homsexuality and incest are practices which do not further evolution, and thus our minds are laced with subliminal warnings against them. In any case, by choosing any lifestly you are taking the risk that you will be judged because of it. In the end, it is still your choice.
Just a few things to think about.

 

Incest is wrong? Uh-oh.

 

Well, it may be wrong, but how many other real family passtimes are there, these days?

 

"If loving ewe is wrong, I don't wanna be right." -- ZZ Top

Kind of a two-for-one deal there.
And, yes I do know the difference between bestiality and incest.
All too well.

<font size=-1>[ This Message was edited by: Feldon Kane on 2001-12-04 12:53 ]</font>

 

:smile: :grin:

Feldon you're hilarious. You are to double entendre what Milo is to smut. You two could resurrect the "Carry On" movies all by yourselves.

 

Well there, noble Paladin, Homosexuality is not an escape. Why would someone say this understanding a woman crap is hard so I’ll be gay? Yes, It would be much easier to subject myself to the hatred, ridicule, and sometimes violence associated with being gay. Imagine for a moment that we thought heterosexuality was wrong, if you are with a woman that is just sick and wrong. Would you be gay to conform to society? You can not help the fact you like women just like gay men can't help that they like men.

As far as what is morally right or wrong does it really matter. Society defines what is right and wrong is and society changes their views more than a crooked politician. In the 1800's slavery was morally right by societies standards. In ancient Egypt and middle age Europe trough the 17th or 18th centuries marriage within the royal families was looked at as a must. Egyptian Pharaohs actually would marry their brothers and sisters to keep the royal families "pure."

The idea of something being right or wrong is all based on weather or not do the action infringes on more rights than the rights infringed by not allowing people to do those actions. Too many people want to play God and decide what is right or wrong. Let whatever deities you believe in decide the morality of others actions.

 

This raises the possibility of disturbing actions you could be taking in the near future...bestiality incest...

Just imagine that though - Feldon loves his mutton, maybe a little too much, and then decides to love his sheepman child even more...

 

Lesbian sheepkids. Horny lesbian sheepkids. Let's keep this thread on topic, please.

 

Okay then...

What I find amazing is that the prositutes in Madam Lil's never get pregnant...wouldn't it be weird to discover you have a child from a prostitute in this game?

That happened in Fallout 2...nice little touch at the end...