hooray for catholocism!

Heh, atleast the Koran is constant in its belief system and rules of beating women. The Bible contradicts itself way too much to be considered as a useful set of rules/guidelines. The Bible is for those who want a convenient religion where they can take the bits of the book that suits them and throw the rest away.

 

The Koran doesnot support wife beating at all.

 

Islam legal system is based on Ulema Scholars of the Faith which European colonist try to destory. The body of Islamic knowledge is quite extensive. area of study can include Arabic grammar, the Qur'an, the hadiths, Islamic Law,biographies of the sahaba, philosophy,interfaith dialogue,the life history of Muhammad, and political and economic theory,hard sciences.

Teaching of the Koran cannot be change but can be reinterpherid in unexpected issue. In Norway a group of Norweign people who read the Koran want to practive the faith. Durning Holy month you cannot drink water or eat foods durning daylight hours, the problem they where above the Artical circle in the cycle where the sun never set. So they called up the Head Imman of Saudic Arabia asking for advice on what to do. He expment from the fast than he orginate a group of Ulema to study this issue. This happen in the early 1920's. Some time later they solved the problem you can either use Mecca Medine mediam line time for sunset time or the sunset time or the nearer modest populate center below the circle.

 

How about nothing between 6:00am and 6:00pm?..... or is that just too obvious?.

 

Douche, you know you have not enough bible knowledge to say that. And don't say that the same goes for the Koran, because I'm proving a point that is black and white, contradictions are trickier. If you wanted to say the Bible is chauvanist because it clearly says that the wife must submit to the husband (it does), than that would be the equivilant of what I'm trying to do here. The only thing that would be arguable would be if that makes the Bible a patriarchal, chauvanistic text that degrades women. I would argue that it doesn't, but that's where opinion and belief takes over from balls-out black and white fact. The problem with the current situation is that BHoff is saying that the Koran doesn't say something that it clearly does, not that I'm interpreting it wrong. Last time I checked, there aren't too many ways to interpret a simple statement like, "beat your wife if she is disobedient."

 

Last time I checked I still hadn't been excommunicated, so I'd say my baptism and confirmation still stand, wouldn't you?

No, but as with all religious texts, the exact context of a word is not always obvious. The word may translate now as beat, but when it was written beat could have had about fifteen different meanings, like most words in Arabic.

 

Jarinor has some very valid points, especially since many words have change their meanings in languages that have continued to be used. That is one of the unique things about the New Testament of the Bible - the version of Greek in which it was written ceased to be used as a living language shortly after it was written, so the meanings of the words became static. However, the Old Testament of the Bible was written in Hebrew, which is still in use, so the meanings of many of those words have changed over time. The same is true of the Koran which is written in Arabic, a language which has continued to be used and had the meanings of words change over time. If you don't believe words have their meanings change, then just look at the change in the meaning of the English word "gay" in the last 30 years or so. When i was a kid, that means someone was happy, but now it means they are homosexual - BIG change in meaning.

As for whether translations are performed correctly or have things deleted or added to them, that has always been a concern among scholars of any religion who want to know the true teachings of that religion. There are many translations of the Bible and just as many arguments about whether those translations are accurate. There are books that were excluded from some translations and not from others because they were considered to be "uninspired" writings that were added later. Likewise, I'm fairly certain that Jehad was not included in the original version of the Koran, but was added later by certain power-hungry Imams seeking their own goals over the truth of their religion.

There will always be some who will seek to twist things to fit their own view of how things should be instead of being willing to simply accept them as they are.

Personally, I prefer to do my best to live with things as they are, and not try to make them over again the way I would like them to be.

 

Plus from other scoure that woman got drunk by drinking alcohol and beating her childern for no reason. Allah doesnot like people who ask vain thing of Him, this wasnot vain at all that why Allah gave than answer.
So the woman wasnot than totally inronet woman some of our woman liber make her out to be.

 

There where passage of the Koran that didnot make sence untril today when we use modern science. Koran have passage that support evolution of life on Earth over a very long peroid of time. It make no sence untril Charles Darwin Theory of Evolution came out.

 

Look at the time before saying that I triple post.

First in the Arabian of his time there where no court of law like we have in the west today, the hightest leval of loyal was tribral than there was no law about tribral customs, I say customs not laws as they where not laws as we know law to be. The Prophet mission was to created than greater sense of loyality than to triberal group, people in America find it hard to espect because Islam have no nationalist loyality but loyality to Allah. Arabian of his day was total lawless with just action so you rape my sister , I will rape your sister in return than these action lead to great blood feuds that lastest hundred's of year.

Than better quotes in English is " As to those woman from whom you fear defliant sinfulness, first admonish, thenrefuse to share your bed with them, and then , if necessary , slap then softly and gentality. Then if they obey you, take no further actions then and donot make excuses to punish them. It not allay necurrity to do the first two step, if your wife is realy to kill your baby with a knife the Islamist court as any court in the west at one time will recognite the need to slap her hard to disarm her ounce you
disarm her you cannot hit her against.

 

it's still a triple post. what, you couldn't find the edit button?

 

Not when there is more than afew hour different between posting time.