Could humans live longer?

The earth is overcrowded- it has nothing to do with food, there are too many people. We are crammed into most places on earth, sucking the planet dry. We are killing off other species for trophies, money, or other greedy reasons. Humans are destroying rain forests and forests for more space- so yes, I'd say we are over populating. We shouldn't be pushing the Earth to it's maximum capacity, we should stay respectfully under it.

 

The Koran was written down in Muhammad was still a live than some follower borrow it to make their own copy they didnot make correct copy but why to interpet the mean in his own words. 23 year after Muhammad
die the first official Koran was printed on newly learn from the Chineese in 655 c.e. it was approval of by Muhammas wife A'ishah whom muhammad
marry when she was 14 year old(girls in dark age Eupore where marry off
around that age also donot call him than pedephile as the law of his age and place allow marriage at that age.)one of the most important early scholars of Islam and by other people who memorzire the entire Koran and the 1000 people who knew Muhammad personal than his teaching.
When the New Testment was written how many people who knew Christ personal where alive in the 400's. In the late 300th the Christian Church destory than lot of early writeing of earlier christian whic didnot support the current Church view back them. We recover some of these eartly written in the 20th cenurty in Egypt.

 

http://www.pbc.org/dp/goins/4528.html

Why does every darn woman I know keep bringing this chapter up....

AMAZING! You've solved the mysteries of the universe by showing us that God is not perfect. Impeccable logic. Of course some people would dispute your "can change X's mind but doesn't = NOT PERFECT" as slightly suspect, but I bet you'd run them down easy.

Sorry, the New Testament books were all written before 100 AD. Which would be common sense, seeing as how most - wait, all of them were written by people who knew him.

You still haven't explained to me exactly how a person who claimed to have a revelation from God in a cave can prove his credibility, BTW.



Yeah, everybody, have we found the answer to "Can we live longer" yet?

 

Judgeing people behavior in the past by our standard instead by the standard
of their time is unfair. First the avage life stang of people back in Muhammad
time was between 25 and 30 year which meant they have to be marry at than early age than we do today.. I make than mistake reading and type while tire She was 16 year old when she married Muhammad about 2 year past the normal marrage age back then.In the west most marriage take place when both wife and husand are in their late 20's which wouldnot be than very good idear then. In South Americian the Roman Church marry than
5 year old girl to than marry man with the approval of the government. The father of the five year old girl got her pegeant than the government didnot know what to do. The Roman Church went to El President the church deal with this plobion over the last 1500 year's afew time. Here is what we want to
do the doctor is going to deliver her baby is than good man with than good wife who can raise her baby. All we need from you is than paper saying that
this man can legal have more than one wife and we will grant than automatic
divorce when she become of age.

A'ishah has no objection to the marriage as well as her parent have no objection to the marriage. She always expressed her love and affection for the Prophet even into the many decades that she outlive him.

How many people in Europe where serf bound to the land and how long did
serfdom last in Europe in most place it didnot end realy untril the 1800's
than how many christian fund in America own black slaves. Muhammad first wife was 15 years older than he was an their where marriage for 23 years in than monogamously relationship..

How would like 1000 year in the future people saying how inmortal the people of the Western world of the 20 th cenutry where for eating meat as than food.

 

Perhaps because it implies that women are inferior to men, or at least intended (by the Christian God) to be subjugated to their will? And not every darn woman you know wishes to be cast in this dim light?

The link you provided argues that:

Of course the point of the whole passage was the subjugation of women. I think that's clear.

Well, my issue originally was that religion can get away with some pretty questionable laws when justifying them as ordained by God.

But I think the issue here, specifically, when it comes to the New Testament, is that it's riddled with some questionable (at least to me and most of modern society) passages, and folks shouldn't be so smug about the New testament being so much more "enlightened" and "improved" from the Old, until they're had a good look at these passages for themselves.

The attitudes towards a "woman's rightful place" haven't changed much between the New and Old Testaments, as is evidence in the above passage, and to many including myself, that attitude is chauvenistic, backwards, and just plain wrong.

I realize that many cultures, christian and (especially) muslim, etc. hold this attitude - that women are to submit to the will of the men in their lives - to be holy.

This just goes to prove my point, in part. That by justifying this (IMO misguided) attitude towards women's role in society as being an integral part of God's, or Allah's, etc.'s plan, one has made it that much harder for anyone to question, and thereby possibly dispel it.

Look at how woman are treated in many Muslim countries today. Look how long it took the Western world to struggle for women's rights. Women still struggle for equality today.

I believe that religion (and in Western Civilization, specifically the New and Old Testament's influence) is a big part of the reason why women have had such a hard time being on equal footing as men for so many centuries. I also believe that were it not for religion, these harmful attitudes towards women would not be so commonplace throughout history, and in many parts of the world in the present.

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Anyway, yes, this has gone off topic (What else is new?).

As far as "Can we live longer?"
Well, yes we can. Should we? ...well we can argue that until are heads implode, and still won't resolve a thing. (Kind of like every other topic around here, though, come to think of it.) ;-)

 

I know a certain little moo moo cow who will soon be searching desperately for the bloody remains of his severed penis in a field by the side of the road.

 

The Koran is very clear that woman have the same right as man with than
few except.. It is the man who are not following what is writen down in the
Koran. Some of these custum man in the Muslim world are useing to put down woman predate Islam. The practice of Honor Killing have no sanction in Islam for just than horrible practice than Muslim scholars in the countries where this take place have issued fatwas against it and want these man put on trail for murder but the seclure ruler of these nation donot want to support what is written clearly in the Koran as it would undermine their western style rule. All the scholars male and female are in
total agreement on this.

 

The koran says that if a woman is disobedient to her husband, he can send her to a seperate bed, take her away and beat her. And if you look at how the koran is in many cases used as a reason to puit woman into burkas. The bible is worse than the koran when it comes to saying that man is supperior to woman, but in many muslim countries the woman have it much worse than in kristian countries. One of the reasons to this is that we have asked questioned the bible and not allways belived what we have read in it. You should try to read the koran one of these day charles, it might clear things upp.

 

The Koran state that than moslim woman proper dress are:

A veil to cover the hair (called a hijab).
Loose-fitting clothes.
Long pants or a dress to the ankles and a shirt, gown or a blouse that covers to the wrists.
Excessive makeup and perfume are frowned upon.

The Koran verse is misrepresented.

"As to those women from whom you fear defiant sinfulness, first admonish
them, then refuse to share your bed with them, and then, if necessary, slap them. Then if their obey you, take no further actions against them and do not make excuses to punish them."

Islam never gives any man the right to strike his wife for any reason except the one listed in this verse, namely, the wife is engaging in some type of evil activity such as drinking alcohol, abusing the children , or other really bad behavior. Given that most women are not of this nature, physically punishing a wife should never arise in 99% of all Islamic marriages. Now, let's take a closer look at this verse. If you will notice, two steps for reform and correction are mentioned first : talking with the woman; and if that doesn't work , the man sleeping on the couch to express his displeasure. Islamic scholars have ruled that these two steps could be carried out indefinitely.
But what if a woman is so bad that she refuses to listern and doesn't care if her husband isnot sleeping with her( and she is still engaged in the sinful
activity). The last recourse is for the husband to slap her. Now this where
the Islam get interesting. Muhammad, who was brushing his teeth at the time , was asked by a man,"What should we slap them with?" He answered, "With this." And he held up his toothbrush. Look at that! Muhammad interpreted this verse in such a way as to make the physical punishment laughable.(Some Islamic scholars have ruled that a handkerchief can be substituted.)

Islam does not allow a man to beat his wife; it merely provides a way for the man to symbollically express his displeasure when his wife is committing a grave sin that threatens the stability of the family. Divorce may be the man's next step.
Are there muslin man that beat they wife yes, are there Christian man who
beat they wife yes.

 

Does it not also say

Should we (Christians) consider women inferior just because we believe God created men first? And does every leader (i.e. head) of a country have carte blanche to subjugate his people?

I'll save you the trouble of digging the next verse up:

Note the double slash after "unto the Lord". Read up till that part. OH, GOSH! Let's not get married at all if you're female - you'll be facing hell.

But what's after it? Is it not a comparison of the relationship between men and wife as between Christ and the church? Does it not warn husbands that they should emulate Christ's love (sacrifice and all that) in their relationships?

Submit to men's will, maybe - but if the man is as righteous as the woman in his reading of the Scripture his will won't be that far wrong.

You seem intent on blaming religion for a lot of things. I personally think that religion has made this world a better place.

It's heartening the issues you choose to determine how to go to heaven or hell.

Yeah, the US has enough nuclear power to blast Iraq off the map too. Wonder why they don't do it immediately realizes that in the nextmonth this may become a very bad example

Pride = Not perfect? Nice twistin'. I should have stopped reading after God said "It is good" in Genesis then. No need to dig up the reference to Lucifer all the way in Psalms (or was it Isaiah?)

 

Hmm... So, is there a REASON why the muslim women have to cover their hair?

Anyway, I read that there is two translations of a word in the genises, "rib" Eva wasn't created from Adam's rib, the other translation is "side". Therefore, Eva was created by Adams side.

That's pretty interesting

 

There are many reason why muslim woman have to cover they hair. The best one is in Medina young male pagon try to make seual advance on female muslin than God make than commandment that muslim female dress
modest compare to pagan woman. Christian and Jewish Woman in Arabia have the same problen as Muslin woman with young pagan Arab male trying
to make sexual advance on them an they dress modest too, they also start
to dress as Muslim woman did.

The Koran clearly state that God create man and woman at the same time
and they both have soul.
"O people! Revence your Lord Who created you from a single soul and crreated of like nature its mate and from those two He scattered counties men and woman. Reverence Allah through Whom you demand your mutual rights and [revence] the wombs [ of mothers that bore you] for Allah ever watches over you"

Muhammad himself established the equal suffrage rights of women by including them in the oath-taking practice, which was the equivalent of voting in Arab society, Islam has never taught that women should be denied a political voice, and in those Muslim countries that are not ruled by
Kings(which is forbidden in the Koran, by the way) one find that women vote freely, Iran, which is often held up as the epitome of chauvinism, actually has more elected women in government than the United State!

If you are wondering why Iran donot have than Woman PM or President, simple the woman decide not to want to hold these post as the very conservise Iram's would cause problen and why fight than battle which isnot impostant enought, at least over half of cabinet post are headed by women.

 

In my experience, religion makes individuals happy and people in general unhappy. It works along the same lines as one person is smart but a group of people is stupid.

 

Myself i think that karl marx was right. I have no problem with people that belive in christ and are happy about that, but when a religion says that i will go to hell unless i belive in that religion or when i see that some people get killed by some people because they are gay or they belive in other things i get pissed of.

 

Actival Religion have lead to better culture in life in general. The Arab pagon in Mecca bural life female baby which Koran forbit and is somewhat successful in enforcement of that ban.

 

People got away with things that they wouldn't have gotten away with because they did it in the name of religion. That's what I think the problem with religion is. Not to mention that people dislike/try to convert people that aren't from their religion. It seems to blind some people... they won't even begin to look at other's standpoints, (although that is not restricted to religion... people do that for whatever reason as well) which is somewhat bothersome.