let's talk movies

Specifically, movies whose directors tried their hardest to film something deep and meaningful but failed miserably, so they attempted to hide their screw-up by adding a bombastic, overly dramatic soundtrack to try to trick people into thinking their shitty movie is serious art.

Mainly though that's just an excuse for me to say that tonight I watched Cashback because Netflix told me I would like it.

Fuck you too, Netflix.

 

I can say that The Transformers live action movies I and II are such film. The biggest reasons are, the plot stinks, and the characters don’t even look like those in the comics, Action toys and the cartoons. (Yes, I am a purist.) It would have been better that they should have used the plot from the Transformers: The Movie from the 80’s.

 

So basically this thread is created to complain about anything and everything Michael Bay and Uwe Boll have done?

 

Argathon, you really think that Michael Bay attempted to create something deep and meaningful with Transformers 1 & 2? Don't be a fucking clown, there action films based on a cartoon. What do you expect? Sense and fucking sensibility?
If he made a film that stuck with the storyline/theme of the original movie, it would have been a huge flop. Directing is an art form but it's also a job.

 

James Cameron probably tried to do something meaningful with Avatar.

Too bad it sucked.

 

As one of the true purists of The Transformers canon (there are alot of them) I wanted to see a movie that kept strict to all the aspects of the canon of the world of The Transformers*. The comics where the action figures, series, and the movies are based on, had actually story lines like betrayal, revenge, self-sacrifce, compassion and even friendship. Not just senseless killing of each other. There are alot of things in the movies that just does not make sense, and the atmosphere does'nt feel right.

*The comics are more strict to the actually canon, the cartoons are following a whole different line. Example: In the comics: In order to counter the threat of evil Unicron, Primus brought into the existance a crew of 13 sentient beings that would guide and maintain his vast form. These were destroyed in a climatic battle (also, through the betrayal of The Fallen.) Now that Unicron is contained, Primus allowed generations of Transformers, so that it developed into a full race. In the cartoons they suddenly were created by the Quintessons to work as their slaves.

 

I completly agree argathon as I was an avid fan old the old stuff but you must understand that transformers was always going to be what fallout 3 was for so many old school fans.

 

Huh. I was expecting this thread to be about Inception. That was a terrible movie.

 

If you have any sort of appreciation for the film industry, you will understand that Inception is infact a very good film.

 

Yeah, I was kind of disappointed not to find Inception mentioned in the first post. I still think it was worth the money and the time, simply because I liked the action scenes. Then we have The Forth Kind. Even if The Forth Kind doesn't have a bombastic soundtrack, it still deserves a honorable mention, just because it is so utterly bad.

 

The Fourth Kind made me beat by girlfriend up actually. So yes I agree, terrible film.

 

How did it make you beat her up? Please elaborate.

 

It was simplistic and predictable. They tried to use the whole "layers" thing to mindfuck the audience. What amazes me is that it seems to have worked on a bunch of people.

 

Well, to be honest I didn't beat her up, I just said it to look BOSS. Isn't that what you want me to say? If you really must know, she kept walking away from me so I punched her in the back of the head.

 

I haven't seen Inception yet, so I can't comment on whether it fits.

Uwe Boll doesn't really enter into the discussion. He's a terrible director, but more in the Ed Wood sense of a guy who sucks at making movies but seems to genuinely love the hell out of making them. Plus his first few movies were only financed so that the investors could take advantage of a tax loophole in Germany.

Michael Bay is an idiot manchild, but I've never gotten the impression that he actually thinks he's making art with those crappy tit & wacky ethnic comic relief filled movies of his. Transformers' plot was so generic that you could've plugged in any number of licensed properties with only minor retouching -- it was a lazy cash-in of someone's exclusive rights option.

The guy who directed The Room is a definite candidate, although his movie is so terrible that it comes back around to almost being art again. Oh, and John Woo as well. He's never met a potentially dramatic moment he couldn't fuck up by throwing in some terrible dialogue and two guys trying to fellate each other's guns.

 

Inception was actually pretty great. You must be the small fraction who it didn't appeal to, DF. It's like a person who thinks Arcanum is terrible, or that HWLFP is a respectable individual. They probably have a good reason as to why they have this opinion, but most people will strongly disagree.

 

What are you talking about you silly bastard? John Woo is a fucking legend. Not every film has to be emotionally deep for it to be a great movie.

 

Not all movies have to be deep, no. John Woo was fun at first, but he becomes less so when you see him re-using the same action sequences and shots in movie after movie. How many times do we have to watch two men stick guns in each others' faces at point-blank range, have a long conversation, then walk away from each other and start shooting again? Better yet, how many times has he cut to a dove flying away when a character dies? He's got talent, but fuck is that lazy.

I brought him up because I've had people try to convince me his movies are deep, beautiful pieces of art. No, really.

 

This just beggs the question, "How many John Woo Movies have you actually seen?". You clearly have no idea what your on about.

 

I've seen a couple of his early Hong Kong flicks I don't remember the names of, plus Broken Arrow, Face-Off, Blackjack, Mission Impossible 2, Hard Target, Windtalkers, and Paycheck. Out of those, I liked the Hong Kong flicks, Face-Off, and parts of Windtalkers and Paycheck. The rest sucked.

I kinda gave up on him after Paycheck so I haven't seen that two-parter he filmed after returning to China.