hooray for catholocism!

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/08/19/communion.denied.ap/index.html

Not that I don't believe that Catholocism isn't a division of Christianity, as some of you do, and this post has nothing to do with whether or not you think Catholics are Christian, so shut the fuck up about that, because I'm so sick of hearing about it.

I just think this is very hilarious.

 

This is why I hate most of the religions. Always making up some stupid rules that really don't change a thing, and then sticking to them as if they're life depended on it.

 

That's because their life does depend upon it.

NOT trying to start a debate, although Shadowbird you might have kick started this one right in the ass, but without rules and such to make people keep a religion in mind, the religion will crumble. If you didn't have a preacher telling you that you would go to Hell, or not go to Heaven, if you didn't come to church, attendance would be at a low.

On a slightly more provocative note, I find it appalling that they would do this to that girl. I feel many religions, not just the Catholics, although they are my example, are losing sight of one thing. You worship Christ, this almighty paragon of love and kindness, and in the name of preserving his legacy, the Catholic Church is being unquestionably cruel to this girl, telling her that in order to worship Jesus she needs to risk death on a weekly basis. I wonder what Jesus would say.

 

Besides, the taking of the bread is a symbolic one, and an earthly one. I think that the Catholic church is wrong in denying this poor girl. It's the act of eating the bread that is important. God made this girl. He wouldn't condemn her just because her system is intolerant of (wheat, was it?). He made her that way.

 

Read again. "rules that don't change a thing". I'm not saying anything about who a relligion worship, or what after-lifes it believes in, I'm talking about things like the one in the article. WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING TO CHANGE IF SHE EATS RICE INSTEAD OF WHEAT!? Not a slightest thing, apart from the fact that she won't be putting her life on the line.

Exactly. In medieval times, the crusaders waged war, killed, raped, etc. in the name of "loving God and Jesus Christ". Sheez. The people have the ultimate power to turn anything good into a weapon ar at least a reason to use one.

After all, I don't ever go to church, I don't read the Bible, but I also don't brake the commandments (I know those), I don't drink or smoke, and - what I believe is to be most important - I'm trying to do what I can to help people and just be good (as lame as it might sound). So I'm pretty sure God is quite pleased with me, regardless of what human-made-up rules of belief I follow or not.

 

I hate to brake it to you shadowbird, but you'll probably burn in hell.

And yeah, sometimes being religious means sacrificing your body in order to be saved. I haven't read the bible in english, so I don't want to throw any names, but it speaks of tests god can put on anyone. If the girl drinks the wheat water and lives, it means she passed the test. And if she dies, it means god is testing her mother's belief. And it probably means more terrible things are to follow.


Seriously though, I find religion to be a great thing if it makes people feel good about themselves, but the article is utter brahmin crap.

 

As far as I know, most of the religions are formed with the idea of making life better for people - as long as the religion does that, it's OK in my book. It's so sad that almost all of them go wrong at one point or another.

 

No, that's what their marketing department says,

 

Hehe. Porbably. Well, anyway, I believe that most religions are not inherently evil, stupid, etc., but people "in charge" make them that way.

 

It's just like that Bible guy who should sacrifice his son on a mountain to prove his faith and God stopped him, meaning if the girl goes to church God will show himself to her, hope she brings a camera.

 

Glad you guys can joke, but all funnies aside, I feel sorry for the girl. What kind of message is this sending her? I hope it's making her see man's weakness, and she's not turning on her religion.

Jinxed, the Bible also says "Do not test the Lord, thy God." Makes me think about those weird snake handler people. They hold poisonous snakes in their hands, and dance and hoop and holler. If the snake bites them, and they die, well, to them it means that they were not right with God. That's stupid. In that case, I could go sit in front of a train, and, as long as I am "right with God", I'll be fine, instead of a long greasy spot on the tracks.

 

If you do an in-depth study of the original writings of the major religions in the world, you will be surprised to find that they all have a great deal in common. You will also find that most of them have had a great deal of changes made to them later on and, if you examine those changes carefully, you will find that many of them are arbitrary and self-serving to the men who made them. Notice that I am NOT singling out any one religion here. This is a problem common to many religions and is responsible for the vast plurality of sects among some religions more than others. The more sects that are present in a religion do seem to be an indication of the level of man's meddling with the original message.

 

EMBRACE THE FLAME.

 

Exactly what I'm talking about.

 

Which reminds me of a night I had with my friends a few months back when we were thinking up scenario's, and how much we'd have to be paid to take part in them. I remember saying that for free, I'd try to snatch an apple from a basket which also had a rattlesnake in there. Why? Because I reckon that I'm fast enough to do it, and I reckon that those 'weird snake handler' people are also doing it for the challenge.

 

You know what this is right? A semi-intelligent debate on religion... We should lock the thread now before someone says something stupid.... Like I'm about to.

Retard, what I find MOST remarkable with the Christian faith, is that while it has all these denouncements of just about everything, it expects you to know when someone is really from god. Like if you believe a false prophet, you go to Hell, but if you don't believe a real prophet, you go to Hell. And since you're not allowed to question god or test him in any way, how the heck are you supposed to know the difference, unless you've got some Godar or some shit strapped to your forehead.

Jar, you're not fast enough. If you manage to succeed the snake either wasn't paying attention or didn't care that a weird old man standing near its basket was taking its apple. Last I checked snakes aren't too into fruits either.

Those snake dancers are either crazy or on crack, it's not a matter of religion.

Shadowbird, you have a very positive outlook on life and religion. I find it strange and frightening. Besides, jaded and cynical is in this Fall, all the cool kids are doing it.

 

Our Iman doesnot use it you donot show up for Firday prayer that you go to hell thing. First there is no priestly class in Islam except for the Shi'as in Iran and Iraq. Shi'as in the rest of the world donot have than priestly class as it cost than what of money. In fact the Iman is only the prayer leader than any moslum can fill in that post. Certain people are and can be excuse from fasting durning the month of fasting. People who are ill than needed to eat, pregeant woman,elder people, young childern like babies. Some people donot fast on the day they do certain job like fireman, policeman and other phyical demanding job. I donot have to fast as I cannot break down sugar without taken medine, but I reduce the amount of food I eat. Allah doesnot ask us to endanger our life while fasting, and Allah is all meryful. The only food strictly forbin is alchol and pork meat and by products. In our Islanist Center we get over 200 man to show up than a unknow number of woman . We will be moveing to our Masjid in middle of sept.

 

So Charlie-Boy, what do you think of my quote from the Koran in my signature? I can get more if you like it.

 

First Moslum man donot beat they wife of the one I met. English tranlation of Arabic are not perfect. In the saying of the Founder of Islam the man man ask him slap her with what than he hold up than handkerchief.

There are case where than man can hit his wife one is when she is holding than knife to kill herself or her child, but once you have disarm her you cannot hit her anymore.

Than lot of America woman are marrying moslum man as moslum man are very good familty man. I never saw than moslum yet hit they kid.

Plus this is from than unauthorithy Koran written by European to discredit Islam. Out of the 1.5 billion moslum are there some who beat their wife certain but does the Koran support that , the koran doesnot support wife beating at all.

 

What you are saying makes no fucking sense, but that's no surprise. I don't think you can really argue with a quote from the Muslim Holy Book itself, but at least try harder next time.