Z'an Al'urin and Raven together?

So I went to T'sen-Ang, and picked up Z'an Al'urin. Once I found out the stuff I needed to from M'in Gorad ("Nothing says fantasy like a randomly-placed apostrophe!"), I went back to Qintarra. There I had to leave Z'an Al'urin outside because the guards wouldn't let me in, so I told her to "Wait". Once I got in and talked to the Silver Lady, I got Raven to join me. Then upon leaving, I told Z'an Al'urin she could stop waiting. Raven was none too happy, but my only dialogue choice was something along the lines of "My presence overshadows hers" or something like that. I had Expert in Persuasion and 20 Charisma, if that has any effect. So anyway, Raven agreed, and I had both Raven and Z'an Al'urin in my party.

However, when I went back to Qintarra for some other stuff, I had to leave Z'an Al'urin outside again... and this time once I told her she could stop waiting, Raven said "It's either me or her" and refused to be in the same party with Z'an Al'urin again. I found out that I could no longer ask either Raven or Z'an Al'urin to Wait anywhere if I wanted to keep them both. Is this intentional? Is there any way around it? By this time I had Master in Persuasion, 20 Charisma, the works. If anybody has gotten around this I'd like to know

 

I have the same experience but there was a time that I really need to leave one of them so I did so. I was expecting that when I got the other, the other won't join me. Well, this time I did convince them to join my team. But again, near the end, I try to leave one of them and then let them join me again. They won't work together again. They really hate each other. I think there is a story between Raven and Alurin.

 

dude they are ENEMIES have u seen enemies that work well together?

 

But they are both elves and I did convince them twice to work together, like I said above. Of course, I am still trying to find out what the problem is.

 

can you help me please
how did you convince
z'an Al'urin to join you ?
my charisma is on 20
virigil, sebastian and torian kel
(dont ask me how i managed it to make him stay till mycharisma reach 20)
what ever i say or do Z'an always disagree to join me
is there a special quest to complet or item to find before she joins me ?
my atitude is around +30

should i increase or decrease it

i have no idea to convince her to join me

please help me

thanks

 

I'm pretty sure you either need high persuasion (rank 5? Maybe even master status?) and/or and evil alignment before she joins you.

 

hmm im not sure at all cuz what ever i did cuz i think it was right i found out that
i ve to do the opposite of it the conversation with her is very tricky but there are guys around who managed it i can beleive that their are all peasentlaughteringtraderconvincingtogiverherlastshirtawayfornothing-monsters

 

The first time you got those two together, have them both join you. It works for me. I don't know if it has got to do with Charisma, Persuasion, or Intelligence.

 

i dont want both only z'an Al'Urin i just want to make her follow me and she disagree always

 

DUUUUDE one is dark elf another is normal elf they hate each other

 

i konw that they will never both join a party
but could anyone tell me how to get z'an al'urin if i ask her she always disagree s
to join i dont know what to do
is it cuz im an half elf ?
i dont think so
maybe its a bug
but if not i would be nice if anyone tell me how to get her

 

kill a town or 2 become evil and then ask her

 

k and if i use many of these nice potion s that raises my convincing skill ?
if not i m going now destroy ahsbury cuz they killed the dog
and what ever i came across is also to death

thx for the help

 

i dont know about the potions though sorry

 

I never had any problem with Alurin. I am 100% good (or even more) but at Tsen'Ang, after talking to her, she joined. There was doubt, but I did get her to join.

 

hmm strange
i solve the problem
but i tooks me the whole night
so work isn t easy today

first i slaugther me trough derholm and than i killed the king of caldalon and most of his guards my alignment was under 10 my charisma on 20 and i had one point in persuasion and get trained by a guy somewhere around

on this point she agreed to join me
unfurtunality i had to load an old save game and loose 2 lev

but i think its better than
empty up 2 villages

 

Then I guess its the persuasion. I convince here with 100 in good status but I have level 5 in persuasion (master).

 

I have Zan in my posse, and I only have 10 charisma and apprentice persuasion. Although I do have 18 Beauty and 19 Intelligence. I am pretty sure I impressed her by having a good worldly knowledge.

 

I know you can have romance with Raven, what about Alurin?

 

even if you r a woman or only as a real "man" ?