Poll what do you want most.Arcanum 2 or Fallout 3 ?

Well I never played as the Hive, but I've been told they were very good
BUT I LOVED THE MORGANITES!!!!
The Android peoples were good too

 

Has anyone else played the extended version of the original Civ2 where you can actually land your space craft and explore the planet? That is, if you get your spacecraft launched in time.

 

Fallout 3 is probably going to be done in a 3d engine, but it's not going to be first person. The only diffrence graphics wise will be that the characters are 3d models rather than animation sprites, but it will still look like fallout. Now, the realtime, that's just tragic. If it has no TB, I'm not interested, if it has the option, like Arcanum, I'm there. If not, give me Arcanum 2. (Actually I'm interested in both, just as long as FO3 has a TB mode)

 

personally i'd enjoy it in FPS style, with a kind of battlezone interface.

with a combat engine somewhat like that of deus ex, perhaps trying to make it even more rpg based, and even less reaction and fps skills involved.

perhaps even TB.

 

Battlezone rocked. Shame Hostile Waters won't have Multiplayer or Skirmish play though.

Anywho.. Arcanum 2. From what I've heard about Fallout 3, I have little to no hope for it being a true sequel to the series.

I have to agree with the guy who said that BIS's Brain Trust all left and moved to Troika. What was the last original game BIS made?

Well, they haven't made one yet. They've made Fallout 2 and a crapload of AD&D games. Oh boy!

 

Remember, anything done in 2D can be done in 3D

NOT vice versa.

I want Fallout 3, as long as it keeps the style from the previous games. But I like FPS's too that would work for me too I suppose, but... Turnbased - its just something about it that rocks :smile:

 

Actually most of M.C. Eschers drawing are possible to rebuild in 2d but not in 3d :smile:

 

Nice call, Grim. :smile:

I'd also like to point out that just because something CAN be done in 3D, doesn't mean it should be done in 3D.

 

Erm well

There is a certain thing called fixed overhead camera view which is a possible in a 3d engine, always just do that, same style in FO

 

You can rotate 90 degree in an isometric game fairly easily. I'm not sure why more games don't do that.

 

Good call on the 'Not everything should be 3d' comment, Proverbius. I mean - can't a gamer succeed with less then stellar graphics? A question of style over substance, and in this mass market, as it is most aspects of life - style wins. If it looks better, does it matter if it /is/ better? Well, I think so.

As for Arcanum 2 - First, I want Arcanum 1! :smile: And then we'll talk. Though I pray that Fallout 3 isn't ruined. It was the best series I've ever played.

 

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thats a messed up question!
I LOVED Fallout2 and I love Arcanum
blar you suck! :razz:

I guess I'd pick Fallout3 since you can make mods w/Arcanum and I've been wanting F3 for a long time

 

Well, that would depend on the game, really. I've been playing computer games since the TI-99/4A.

I remember talking with a friend of mine way back in the C64 era, and we were discussing how wonderful it'd be if the graphics looked more realistic. The gameplay was there. We just thought that it'd be nice if they looked nicer.

Now we have really fancy graphics, but we're now wondering where the hell the gameplay went to!

It's sad that back in the 1980s, when game developers didn't have much to work with, they made better games.

 

i'd buy both if they are good both in game-play and graphics,but the vote is Arcanum 2

 

hmm

heh grim you might be right, but when it comes to games...

What's better with 3d is
Better graphics (smoother animations, more animations)
Easier to customize different clothes (separate parts can be made instead of lots and lots of complete pictures of characters with different armor, weapons, hats, shoes etc)
Faster (in these times of 3d cards, it would be faster, at least compared to how Arcanum demo is, choppy on my p2 450)

So.... I really hope that FO3 is in 3d, but of course it would work in 2d as well (like arcanum will).

but why not use a better technology when one exists.

btw FO:T runs smoother than arcanum. is any part of it 3d? I don't know, but i could imagine the people being.

about rotating 90 degrees, I think that kinda sucks.. I'd lose my orientation, like in simcity 2000.

I hope they make a fixed camera if they go 3d tho, zooming in and out and rotating like hell isn't that fun.. there are better uses for mouse buttons.

 

3D isn't better technology, it's DIFFERENT technology.

Sprites still look a hell of a lot better than 3D models for one simple reason, they have a lot more visible detail. Most sprites are actually pre-rendered 3D models consisting of hundreds of thousands of polygons. Most 3D games feature player models that are only a few hundred polygons.

Oh, and I thought of a prime example of a game genre that's MUCH better in 2D than 3D, the artillery games like Scorched Earth. For example, there are common weapons in nearly every one of these games that will bury an enemy in dirt. That's nearly impossible to do in 3D, simply because of the way the terrain works and how it would cover up the enemy model.

 

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I see what you mean. Rendering a picture in 3d MAX and making it into a bmp (or whatever the type is), does look better than the same picture taken from in-game. But, the object needs one sprite per animation and frame and direction of running. A 3d model need just one model and some different animations (one for running, one for crawling etc) and the engine can use those two things to make it look like someone is running in any direction, or so that the furniture in all houses don't stand in the same angle.

The running animations in Arcanum look like they consist of 3 frames. I'd rather have them run smoothly, and look just as good. Because, admittedly, the characters in Arcanum isn't that masterly textured.

I don't really care much about graphics in a game, as long as it works and the engine does what its supposed to do.

Oh, and sprites can be used in a 3d environment as well..

About Scorched tanks, what a cool game! I used to play it with friends and brothers on the Amiga..... or was it scorched earth? hmm.. Anyway, you're probably right in that it would be a lot easier to do in 2d, but it shouldnt be impossible to do it in 3d as well. just a lot of small 3d objects that work in the same way as the pixels do.