Effort to buy Arcanum rights

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  1. Macepup

    Macepup New Member

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    Hey I am new to these forums and of course I am a die hard fan of fallout 2 and consequently Arcanum. I read awhile back that Vivendi currently holds all rights to Arcanum and doesn’t seem to be moving on those rights anytime soon. Not that long ago I emailed them inquiring about purchasing the rights (I know these things aren’t cheap, fallouts rights went for a million dollars) I got a reply that they were forwarding my message to the correct department. I haven’t heard back since.

    Yet still I was wondering if people were interested in making a fund to buy the rights of Arcanum to either develop as a project (any of you into programming? Want to start a side-project company?) or to release the rights to the public?

    I know for a fact if done well Arcanum (the world idea/style not every detail) could be turned into an amazing MMORPG. Or with the right people a wonderfully stylized and very deep, action rpg.
     
  2. Vorak

    Vorak Administrator Staff Member

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    Well to start with I'm pretty sure that Sierra owns Arcanum. But I may well be wrong, I havn't exactly been tracking who owns the rights.

    Secondly, even if you could get ahold of the rights and frankly I doubt it (but good luck to you if you can) most members here won't even help when $20 is needed for site costs, let alone $1 million for game rights.

    And even if you did get enough money gathered, it'd be from a lot of people and they'd all have a different idea of what to do with the rights. Some would want to release everything to the public and others would want to make a profit.

    Unless you could gather a small group of just a few investors, which is unlikely for a game that economically did terribly. I don't think that this project could be viable.

    EDIT

    I just noticed the last line.

    Arcanum as a MMORPG, no, just no.
     
  3. Frigo

    Frigo Active Member

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    What if we don't purchase the rights, but convince them to release it into public domain / open source (graphics too, not only code!), shouldn't it be cheaper?

    (Plus, they don't lose much by doing so, Arcanum is more than 5 years old, and the best buy series is $5 for 2CD, it worths buying even if Arcanum is open source; not to mention the fame it would gain)
     
  4. Vorak

    Vorak Administrator Staff Member

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    They stand to gain nothing doing that. They are far more likely to keep the rights and do nothing with them just on the off chance that a project comes up, which it won't.

    The Arcanum community is at most a few thouand people strong, there isn't a market for another game and no reason for a company to try and appease us by releasing the game into the public domain.
     
  5. Wolfsbane

    Wolfsbane Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. I hate being pessimistic, but I don't think that Sierra will give up the rights to Arcanum. And we wouldn't gain much on buying the rights for a fuckload of money, either.
     
  6. DarkUnderlord

    DarkUnderlord Administrator Staff Member

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    Sierra would sell the rights to an Arcanum 2 but not to anything other than a professional group I would've thought. Given our chances of raising the $5 million to fund Arcanum 2 are probably limited at this stage, I'd have to say this is an idea going nowhere fast.
     
  7. Vorak

    Vorak Administrator Staff Member

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    whAT [F we MKAe the game fo FReE Here.

    I donT [<Now any PrgraMMING but } haves LoTs OF 1337 ideas!!!

    LOL
     
  8. Maximus

    Maximus New Member

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    The only way you'll see another Arcanum released is if a group of programmers asked Sierra (also owns Vivendi, or vice versa) to code it for free with offers of profit sharing if the game ever launched and made money. *contains laugh*

    Or, pester the original designer to revive the project or face the WRATH of HoL. Maybe the amusement will spur him to action.
     
  9. Vorak

    Vorak Administrator Staff Member

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    Even if we crippled them doubt they'd make it.

    The game is seen as a flop, no matter how good it actually is and flops don't get sequels. Even if you did get a group of programmers to make it for free Sierra would think trying to sell it would be a waste of money.
     
  10. Macepup

    Macepup New Member

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    Vivendi owns sierra for the record

    Fan based re-makes (ala the chrono trigger project and kings quest) are made by fans with some spare time, and of a community of a few thousand i would think there would be enough people who know programming. Im sure they would give us a message to stop or face legal trouble but the series is going nowhere, thus the rights (that they will never use again) need to be acquired.

    I my myself can use 3d studio max to a certain degree and have one friend who is a computer science major and another who went to full-sail 3d art school for a year.

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    lol. i do agree richard i sound like "that guy" with his stupid "1337 ideas" but SERIOUSLY dont you think it would be sweet if we made an effort? Arcanum is too badass to let die. To quote Independence day the movie “we will not go quietly into the nightâ€￾ (haha)
     
  11. Vorak

    Vorak Administrator Staff Member

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    Sorry if we all sound pessimistic, but I've been here 3 years and every couple of months for those 3 years someone has shown up with a version of this idea.

    There have only ever been a handful of people with particularly good programming skils that have tried modding Arcanum and quite a few of them are now gone. Of those that remain I doubt any would have the time to help build a game from scratch, with the pool of people who really could help being so small it could quite literally take 10 years to do everything.
     
  12. Wolfsbane

    Wolfsbane Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. And who knows what we're doing in ten years?

    Playing arcanum? Don't kill me now, but I think that no, we won't. In ten years time, there'll be something else than arcanum on our minds, I assure you.
     
  13. Vorak

    Vorak Administrator Staff Member

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    I'm not so sure, I've played it for three so why not ten?

    But yeah, If you released it as a fan project in 2016:

    1. Nobody would have any idea what Arcanum was.

    2. You'd have started in 2006 so it would be based on the computing capacities of the time.
     
  14. Wolfsbane

    Wolfsbane Well-Known Member

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    Ok then. Maybe we will still be playing it. But that's us. And a few other hundred people.


    But, adding to Voraks point, noone would know what the hell arcanum was. We'd have to introduce the game to the world all over again.
     
  15. Vorak

    Vorak Administrator Staff Member

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    In 2016 the House of Lords will actually be a retirement home in Switzerland for people who go mad when they finally realise that Troika's dead.

    This game cannot realistically be resurrected. Buying it isn't viable, unless someone has a spare million dollars and then what would we do with it anyway? And making it for free is ridiculous, I couldn't do a damn thing programming wise and I can't exactly assume that people with the skills would do it for free just because I was nice to them.
     
  16. Wolfsbane

    Wolfsbane Well-Known Member

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    Quite so.
    Didn't we have, like, a major project here not long ago, trying to make a fan-made sequel to arcanum?


    Haven't heard from that in a long time now.
     
  17. Vorak

    Vorak Administrator Staff Member

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    You mean the guy who said he was Nasrudin because he was the great leader who would take our cause to Tim Cain?

    He showed up and said a friend of his was making a site for the movement and that nothing would dampen his spirits. Three days later we'd crushed him. It probably didn't help that DU didn't seem to like him either.
     
  18. Wolfsbane

    Wolfsbane Well-Known Member

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    Poor bastard. Yeah, that was the guy I meant. Damn, we did that one good. He left, saying he was a poor, naiv idiot. Shows just how well our war-machine works when we're united.


    We're a little like Greece, actually. Or, more like how they used to be, back in the old days.
     
  19. Vorak

    Vorak Administrator Staff Member

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    I'd say the Roman Republic, but that because I like them more.

    Besides plenty of Roman senators are remembered, but how many of you have heard of Pericles?
     
  20. Wolfsbane

    Wolfsbane Well-Known Member

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    Hmm, the name sounds familliar, but since I don't know who he is, I can't claim to have heard of him. So, no, I haven't.

    Who was he?
     
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