Scientific Shit

I'm high, and I've contemplated the nature of the universe, and so I must write them down, because I almost forgot just a second ago.

Ok, the first thing is, air is classified as a fluid. Just like water. SO I was thinking about a balloon. When you let a helium balloon go outside it "flies" away. But really what's happening is that the balloon is filled with a less dense liquid and it's floating in a sea of more dense liquid. Like if you set a water balloon filled with oil in the water, it would float.

That said, birds can be said to be swimming, using their muscles to propel themselves through the fluid around us. Also note, if air is a fluid, it means all living creatures breath fluids, so fish really aren't that fucking special.

Now apply it to space... Space is made primarily of plasmas. Our spacecraft have trouble moving in this. Really, our ships our more of flying fish as they move, busting out of the surface of the atmosphere, and drifting in the 'air' above.

Second thing, which I came to as I was musing over how we'll become able to really 'fly' through the plasma of space. I immediately thought of harnessing gravity as a means, although I think riding electromagnetic waves might also be an option. That would be more equatable to sailing though.

Anyway, my mind bounced over a curious fact related to Einstein's theory of relativity. As an object's velocity approaches the speed of light, it's relative mass approaches infinity.

In our observations of black holes, we surmise the singularity, the center of the black hole, to be an infinitely small point of infinitely great mass. Also, observations of the material spiraling into the black holes shows that as the mass approaches the hole, its velocity increases. So perhaps the speed of light can be broken, but when it is a black hole forms.

 

Fluid and liquid are not the same thing. Air and water are both fluids, but air is not a liquid.

Yes, birds are gliding along in a fluid, which is about 100 times thicker than the atmosphere of Mars. Our atmosphere is a very thick fluid. We rarely notice because it's natural for us to be here. You can feel it when you sway your hand back and forth very fast.

A plasma is merely a charged gas.

Except the density of molecules of various sort up in space is very low. Except in some thick nebulae.

It doesn't really. That's like a short-hand way of saying it. What happens is that as you approach C, the energy required to move you increases exponentially, and since energy relates to mass in that equation, the result is equivalent to mass being increased. You mass never really changes. Your relativistic mass increases.

Not actually infinite mass. If they were, the entire universe would be sucked into the first black hole ever to exist.

Perhaps. People have all sorts of theories about black holes. I hope one day we'll be able to send robots out to study them in detail.

 

first of all, dude, don't kill the buzz.

secondly, blinky, i wish i was still a pot smoker and could hang out with you, cuz we could have the coolest conversations EVER.

 

I have a theory about black holes. I think that if I were to play the proper three notes on a kazoo, the world would implode and create a black hole. As you can see by your continued existence, those three notes have thus far eluded me. Each day, I practice four hours on my kazoo and delve deeper and deeper into the mysteries of that most inscrutable of instruments in the hopes that one day, the secrets of the universe may be revealed to me, and when that day comes, there shall be a great wailing and gnashing of teeth, and every tongue of every man, woman and child shall cry out in terror, and from amidst that cry shall come a name, and that name shall be JUNGLE JAPES!


Then the world will implode. Right after they say my name. It should be pretty cool, I'm gonna try to get it on tape.

 

This reminds me of my Prime Cheese theory. I will translate it to English if I have the time.

 

Jungle Japes, your sarge won't be happy to know you're high too.

And Blinky... Haven't you seen "Yellow Submarine"? That's the key, man! The Beatles were the only ones who saw the world as it really is! That's why they're dying! They are being killed by a sect who doesn't want the truth out there! The second Paul is next, and then Ringo will rule the world!

(Anyway, that was my own Beatle Conspiration theory, where Ringo is the traitor.)

 

Why'd you quit Rosie, was it for your daughter?

Scarmouche, I know. Whatever you think you know... I know also. Accept that. I was using fluid and liquid interchangably, and that is technically incorrect, I know. What I wrote was a scientific model, which is something that isn't correct, but that can be used illustrative to that which is correct.

I get bored of using the same word all the time, so I said fluid and liquid mean the same thing while I was writing it. Whatever. I don't know why you brought up Mars, but also, whatever.

When I referred to plasma as 'air', I was drawing this conclusion. The difference between solids and fluids is distinct. People try to draw a difference between liquids and gases, but there really is none. Liquids move just like gases, except they're held in a contained area by the atmospheric pressure on Earth. There is no fundamental difference, one just has a lower vapor pressure.

Plasmas do have a fundamental difference however, they become electrically charged. It's not a big difference, but it's the most I'm aware of when going past fluids.

Except that what? The density of molecules has nothing to do with my point. Space is a plasma, a very sparse one. That doesn't change the fact that our current method of travel in space is to burst out of a fluid, ride around for awhile, and then return to our fluid home. Flying fish.

About black holes, I did struggle with the idea that an infinite mass would create an infinite gravitational pull. I forget my logic, but I also surmised something else would be infinte about black holes. The two values I was dealing with worked in negation with each other, and what I ended up surmising was that if the mass was at infinity, and this other value, which I really wish I could fucking remember, was also at infinity, then there would be a ratio of infinities.

Think about this. A line extends to infinity. It's distance in meters is infinity meters. It's distance in centimeters is infinity centimeters. The second infinity is 100 times greater than the first. I surmised that each black hole is the subject of these opposing forces, which create a ratio. The ratio for this number is EXTREMELY high. But not infinity.

Relativistic mass works just like regular mass in regards to every other object in the universe. If an object is sitting relatively stationary, and another object accelerates towards light speed, the stationary object will be attracted to the moving one as though the moving object's mass was approaching infinity.

I might have just remembered the black hole thing. If you think about Einstein's idea of space-time as a fabric, which all matter bends, then an object of infinite mass would cause an infinite bend. There is another scientific model, involving paper towels. You take a piece of paper towl and hold it relatively taunt, then place a rock or something on it. It forms a dent in the paper, much like the dent each object of mass forms in space-time.

That said, if you had an object of infinte mass, and it caused what is pretty much a giant sink hole in time-space, you also must think of the distance other objects would need to travel to reach the center of the mass. Time-space being elastic in this way, the objects would need to travel an infinite distance to arrive at the singularity.

If the force of gravity equals (G*M1*M2/R squared) then the infinite distance can partially negate the infinite mass and leave you with an non-infinite, although still very high, number.

 

So let me get this straight. You're saying I'm right about the kazoo?

 

... OUCH. I think I just broke my braaaiiiin, nyah!

 

Dude, I didn't really mean to bruise your ego. Chill.

The fundamental difference is compressibility. Gas can be easily compressed. The volume changes with pressure. Liquid generally does not easily compress.

Infinity isn't a number. Think of it more like a function, like pi. This is the clearest explanation I've seen on the web.

This is why I said that relativistic mass and mass are not the same thing. What you just described does not happen. If it did, stars would be towed along by their own light emissions, since photons can be assigned relativistic mass.

 

scaradouche, quit trying so hard. you keep picking fights all over this forum, playing devil's advocate, disagreeing with everybody. in truth, you're not that smart, and even if you were, we wouldn't care.

blinky, i quit cuz it got boring.

 

I never pick "fights". Merely correcting errors.

As for personal comments about me, that would qualify.

 

Now you're trying to pick a fight with Rosie. I think she's going to cut your penis off.

 

I never picked any fights with anyone. I corrected some incorrect stuff, and apparently that is unwanted in these parts. For merely doing that, insecurities have surfaced and folks have complained about me doing so. If you want users of this forum to dumb it down so you don't feel like they're being "all uppity n stuff, t'ose durned edgy-cated folks!", perhaps you should put that in the terms of service agreement: No facts allowed. If you really believe I ever picked a fight with anyone, feel free to quote it and demonstrate the point. However, this has not occured.

Anyway, it's been fun. Ciao.

 

Easy, young padawan. We like to be silly sometimes. Can you really argue the laws of physics and nature with someone who thought about them when high? You'd have to be high to reply properly.

 

don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya.

 

If you'll allow me to play devil's advocate for a moment, I 'll say this. If blinky didn't want a discussion he would not have posted in general *discussion*.

And as he said himself to scaramouche a few posts ago:

Scaramouche may have been an ass in other posts (I'm not saying he did or did not) but I can't really see what your problem is with him in this thread. Just because you like blinky more than scaramouche does not mean that facts become relative depending on who says them.
-Thinks about politics and shudders-

 

hey fuckhead, back your ass right out of this fight. it has nothing to do with you, and if i like blinky more than scaradouche, it's because scaradouche is a stupid cunt.

 

It is to do with me in so much as I chose to read it. If you wanted to keep it private then use a PM. If it is in an open forum then people will comment on it.

When bunny and japes chose to comment you didn't tell them to butt out. Perhaps because they did not disagree with you?

That is your opinion and I have every right to post mine regardless of how much it differs from yours.