Guns guns guns!

Well, good luck determining what type of weapon the Mech gun is :lol:

Well duh. Of course. Then again, try limiting your bursts to three-five rounds while shooting at 1100 RPM. Don't know what you used and where, but the mini-Uzi spits out five bullets well before you can let go of the trigger.

I don't need to. After my IDF service I am quite aware what our weapons could or could not do. No army in the world trains their people for 1000 yards shots with 5.56 weapons. Not even then precision crazed Swiss army. The US marines train for 600 yards shots, that's as far as it goes.

As for your example, it is unclear what rifle he was using. It is believable to make such a shot with an M14 (and the US Marine corps sharpshooters are using exactly this rifle as a DMR- and accurized, customized versions of it, mind you), because at least the caliber allows it. Still, try the same with the M14 on automatic :lol:

 

Machine pistol. We used larger SMGs appropriate for CQC and boardings.

Which is why many weapons now come with a mechanism limiting the number of rounds fired in a burst.

Regular forces don't get trained for such long ranges. Marksmen, however, do train for long ranges. The M16 is quite commonly used at a thousand yards with irons only in sharpshooting competitions. They also use the M14 and others over the same ranges.

Janacek used both the M14 and the M16 at 1000 with irons only. If you doubt that, email him and ask. He's quite a well known sharpshooter, since he does well in these competitions. However, he is by no means alone in such activities. As I said, it really is quite common.

 

What caliber?

Hey, do you seriously think you can classify a non-existent fantasy RPG weapon? :lol:

And many don't. And SMGs with the fire rate in excess of 1100 RPM virtually never do, as far as I remember.

Won't believe it till I see it.

Besides, what's the point in shooting an M16 that far in the first place? It will have no velocity to speak of, no kinetic energy and no penetration. A 5.56 bullet isn't much of a stopper as it is, at a 1000 yards it will be like getting hit with a slingshot pellet. A very tired pellet.

I doubt it, but I don't know a thing about Janacek and his own trustworthiness. I've spoken to plenty of military and ex-military sharpshooters, and they all agree that 600 yards is the outer limit of the cartridge.

 

Excuse me but that can't be quite right. Maybe you mean the americans had the "grease gun"?(M1A1 I think) I'm not totally sure on its release date(the grease gun), but the tommy gun was WWII era. A clue is that its actual name is Thompson 1939. WWI ended 1918.

Not sure if the russians had any submachine guns in WWI but they had the best ones most of WWII, and the germans often used the russian SMGs instead of their own, if they could.

More on topic: Most assault rifles are considered to have an operative range of between 400 and 600 yards/meters. Depending on which army is giving the parameters. I know only two SMGs that are considered to have an operative range of 400 yards/meters(P90 and CMJ-MS PDW.)

With the exception of above mentioned, most SMGs are rather short range afairs, if you want to hit anything, though I believe the mini-uzi is supposed to be accurate up to something like 200 yards/meters on single fire, and I'd guess that goes for most of them, but usually they're quoted as having between 30 and 50 yards/meters range in full auto.

And I know a yard isn't quite as long as a meter, but close enough here.

If you play FPS games you should be aware that they tend to give really really inaccurate views on weapon accuracy, cyclic rate, recoil, etc. Apart from firing more accurately on the move than you can in RL, they show weapons as much less accurate than they are in RL, usually with more recoil and lower cyclic rate as well.

And whoever brought up the mac10, it's not an accurate weapon, nor is it precision made. You can find mac10s that have 1000 rpm cyclic rate, and ones that have 2000 rpm cyclic rate(and will blow through a 32 mag in 1 second flat.)

 

9x19mm.

It gives me something to do for kicks.

Most SMGs don't even get that high for rate of fire. But among those that do, 3-round burst fire is available.

http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg47-e.htm

If you're basing your objections on your own inexperience, there's nothing anyone can do about that. However, if you really are curious, and think the US Navy were lying when they published the webpage to which I linked earlier, then feel free to email a military sharpshooting team.

Not quite. A bullet from an M16 will easily go a couple of miles if you shoot it up in the air at an angle. But as I said, these were for competitions. The point was to win.

Doubt it if you want. Call the US Navy liars if you want. But I've provided my own opinions based on my own experience, and I've given you a US Navy webpage about it. Again, you're basing your objection only on your own lesser capabilities.

 

Mind you, you're using the same ammunition for your revolvers, your Looking Glass Rifle and your Blade Launcher. I somehow doubt that the latter is a 9mm Luger :lol: Oh and you shoot the same stuff in your Flintlock pistols, and even in the shotgun. Not to mention that it is a BLACK POWDER cartridge, remember the schematics? Sounds more like a .45 Long Colt /410 Gauge to me, or perhaps a 45-70 Government. Both pretty heavy on recoil in a sub-gun size weapon.

Well, we're dealing with the one where 6 rounds is a minimum

Mine and of the people in the service whom I know. And on the common sense, since there is no practical need for any army to train shooters for this kind of shots with a 5.56

Yes, but when it finally falls and hits, it won't puncture a decent leather coat, let alone kill someone.

The webpage does not say what caliber rifle was used. He could have been using an M14 or an SR25. I CAN believe in a 1000 yard hit with one of those, the British riflemen did it with the Enfields, after all. But a 5.56???

 

That page doesn't say, but Janacek did when I emailed him a couple of years ago. I asked what sorts of rifles they used over there at a thousand yards.

 

Who actually cares about this discussion, other than the two of you? Quit it, goddamit!

 

We never really appreciate that which is beyond our comprehension.

 

Hey, Wolfsbane, calm down. This is a discussion forum, and people have no obligation to talk only about things that interest you. Nobody's forcing you to read it, y'know.

 

I'm calm. I just asked a question, and added that stupid ending. I just thought the subject as irrelevant.

 

Well, maybe it's not that relevant since this is the H&T, but at least they stuck to the topic.

 

Yeah, looking at it, this should have gone in Arcanum Discussion instead...

 

Uhh, are you sure you did your reading right? The Grease gun is an M3, not the M1A1 which is basically an economized M1928 Thompson and was unable to take drum magazines and made for cheaper production.

The development of the Tommy gun as we know it actually started before the first world war, but the first production models weren't ready until late 1918, and, as I said earlier, the first shipment intended for the troops in Europe reached the docks on Nov 11, 1918, the day that World War one ended, so they were never shipped to Europe, let alone see action.

Here's a link on the Tommy gun http://www.nfatoys.com/tsmg/

And btw, there's not such thing as a Thomspson 1939, the last 'thompson' to actually bear the name of a date was the Thompson M1928.

 

Why does any of this matter? I can make a rail gun NOW, and it's more fun than any Thompson people had 70 years ago.

 

They tend to be nice for impailing or going through walls

 

Hi there, Legendary 2, and welcome to Terra-Arcanum! Have a great stay, and always remember these two rules:

1. Don't grave dig. People will flame you for that.
2. Don't double post. People will flame you for that, too.

And here's a tip. In the beginning, stick to whatever an older member says (with me as an exception) instead of having your own points and ideas. Just a tip. Follow it or don't.

Anyway, welcome!

 

Welcome, and disregard what Wolfsbane said about opinions if you really have something to say. We won't flame you for having a point you are willing to talk about (much ) but if you're a jackass, you're dead. Other than that, enjoy your stay and don't aggrivate the polar bear.

 

Im not a bad guy unless you care about grammar and punctuation I try to spell check words that look utterly wrong but meh shit happens

All aside to stay on topic How do you all feel about depleted uranium and hallow tipped bullets?

 

They can't measure up to Incendiary Rounds.

A. Fire is good.
B. It cleans up easily
C. It's not sissy.