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  1. Dark Elf

    Dark Elf Administrator Staff Member

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    It's all over the Internet anyway, so we might just as well have ourselves a thread about it.

    So, what we have here is essentially an organization which has committed no crime at all being branded as terrorists by the American nomenklatura, with its front figure being held in jail awaiting a hearing for a crime he likely never committed (and was probably framed for), while O'Reilly, Palin, Huckabee and the rest of the intelligentsia are screaming for his execution. Oh, and let's not forget how virtuously Mastercard et al are acting by refusing to transfer money to Wikileaks while having no qualms about helping to fund moral institutions such as the KKK.

    Hell yeah.

    Nineteen Eighty-Four much?
     
  2. Xz

    Xz Monkey Admin Staff Member

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    I don't believe he's being framed, I just think he's a victim of wrongful logic on the part of these women: "I now wish I hadn't had sex with this man. Therefore he must have raped me." Of course even if he did rape them, this has nothing to do with the issue at hand. Just because someone's a rapist doesn't make their good deeds any less valuable.

    That said, Internet war is at hand. Interesting is probably the best way to describe what's happening.
     
  3. Dark Elf

    Dark Elf Administrator Staff Member

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    Framed or not, the rape allegations are fishy: Information in Swedish

    Wonder how many people will end up killed/in jail/disappearing over this, what with Anon going full on RAEG!!! on the anti-Wikileaks crowd.

    Shit, meet fan.
     
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    Frigo Active Member

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    I give zero credibility to rape accusations in Sweden.

    I don't know who had this wonderful idea to initiate a full-scale attack on Wikileaks and its founder, but it was a serious mistake, and I can guarantee it is going to backfire.
     
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    You see? Sex always ruins everything... This one is a great example :p
    (~Flame goes below~)
     
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    Wait a second... in Sweden rape is defined as not wearing a condom during consensual sex?

    WikiLeaks, Anonymous, and everything else that goverments and the media label as threats to security and domestic terrorists are actually good things. The lack of oversight in goverments, or worse lax/false oversights, fuels these movements.
     
  7. Xz

    Xz Monkey Admin Staff Member

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    No, he allegedly sexed her condomless while she was sleeping. The not being concious part making it rape.

    In the other case, he allegedly didn't stop when she asked him to, after the condom broke. Also she later accused him of intentionally ripping the condom.
     
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    magikot Well-Known Member

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    Ah, the two articles I read only mentioned the no condom part and that he was alleged of rape. They didn't mention the rest.
     
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    Zanza Well-Known Member

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    Everyone knows although their lips might quiver no no, their eyes scream yes oh god yes.
     
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    ytzk Well-Known Member

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    DarkFool Nemesis of the Ancients

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    My quarrel with his releasing the documents that he did is that people have died thanks to it. Did nobody else hear about the tribal elders and such who are now targeted because some of the documents name them as having cooperated with the U.S Government? I have no qualms with making public information that's been concealed, but tact to try and protect the lives of those who could die due to it would've been nice.
     
  12. Dark Elf

    Dark Elf Administrator Staff Member

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    The Pentagon itself has admitted specifically that nobody has been harmed by Wikileaks document releases. Wikileaks offered in each case to cooperate with the White House on editing out information which might endanger anybody, but in each case the White House refused.
     
  13. Dark Elf

    Dark Elf Administrator Staff Member

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  14. Grossenschwamm

    Grossenschwamm Well-Known Member

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    Every government has secrets it'll keep from the people, that's not new. Anonymous is going balls deep on this shit, it's gonna be funny. Or tragically horrifying. You know, which ever way this goes.
     
  15. Dark Elf

    Dark Elf Administrator Staff Member

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    Exactly. And that's why the free press and investigative journalism is so badly needed, as it acts as a counterweight to the power of the government. Checks and balances.

    As Xz put it, the best adjective to describe the present state of affairs is probably "interesting".
     
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    "Interesting" is an apt description. I'm leaning toward "brilliant" at the moment, but hope it proceeds toward "epic."

    I should do more research on this phenomenon, but with what little I know about what's going on, I'm already swept up in the romance of it all. As mobile phones have evolved to mobile devices and with the introduction of the iPad and as I anticipate the mainstreaming of tablet PCs in general, I feel an electric excitement as it seems that the future is now and we are already slipping into a Cyber Age. The attack of Anonymous on various established semi-Super Powers manages to finish the Age with the appropriate punk aspect, and I cannot help but be enthused by the power that is apparently available to Everyman. If Anonymous can take on credit card companies, then the average person does not seem so helpless and insignificant after all.
     
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    Yeah, on one hand we're poised to merge into an overmind of global consciousness, and on the other hand, Ye Olde Powers That Be are fighting for their survival.

    Punk attacks on Mastercard are going to seem like child's play by the end of the century. I think it will be Epic, but Interesting as well, in terms of the old curse, May You Live In Interesting Times.
     
  18. Grossenschwamm

    Grossenschwamm Well-Known Member

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    We've got to be coming to some sort of culmination of willpower soon. We're due for a global revolution that changes the way everything is done.
     
  19. Dark Elf

    Dark Elf Administrator Staff Member

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    It's nigh impossible to appropriate a language without simultaneously being affected by its currents of thought.


    I'll post great videos as I find them.
     
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    Thing is, he didn't steal the documents. Hell, he's not even the one releasing them. The information is still out there even without wikileaks; fact is that someone, somewhere has had access to this information and has decided, for whatever reason, that releasing it was a necessity. The whole conflict with wikileaks, including Mastercard's/Paypal's refusal to accept donations and the Australian government's near-revocation of his passport (thankfully K.Rudd stepped in there) is more about the various super powers being frightened of their ever-lessening control over information flow and hence propaganda-mongering than it is about a singular businessman. They want to make an example, Assange is just the scapegoat for the culmination of years of media/press commercialisation and nationalisation that has resulted in misleading information being deliberately released to the public as both a control mechanism and an imposition method. Fact is, people -- and particularly those wanting to stay in power -- need to be much more careful about what they fucking say, whom they say it to and what they do with the records.

    I have heard from several different sources now that are claiming that the women in question have both claimed that the sex was entirely consensual and even if it wasn't, you can't say that the charges being filed or atleast being publicised almost exactly after these documents were first being released isn't more than a little coincidental.

    Democracy has become a joke, anyway. We elect officials who convince us that they align with our values, but in the end these officials market their campaign towards the majority of citizens in order to get themselves elected. Once in power they'll do nearly anything to retain it, regardless of what aspect of society or industry they're in. What you end up with is a collective of individuals with a hell of a lot of control, very little sense and very little care for the average person who pool their resources in order to shut down even the slightest semblance of social freedom. That's where all this bullshit stemmed from -- some of these idiots are feeling threatened now that their little secrets are out and don't want to deal with the public backlash. The whole fucking concept of democracy is flawed regardless, the media stories and political campaigns are virtually brainwashing the public into believing that people like Assange are cretins and deserve to be locked up or worse.

    Nineteen Eighty-Four indeed.
     
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