Vorak Trivial Pursuit

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  1. Vorak

    Vorak Administrator Staff Member

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    First Rasputin, then Andre, but this is even better!

    During August 1935 Aleksei Stakhanov hewed 102 tons of coal from a mine in the Don Basin over a 6 hour stint using nothing more than hand tools!

    I've looked into it, it really happened its not just some old Soviet propaganda

    As a result of this the Stakhanovite Movement was founded, it was an order which required people to try and break records during their work
    ie. cut more wood, drive bus faster.
     
  2. xento

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    I don't think that driving a bus faster would be a good thing if you wanted to keep your job. :/
     
  3. Canis

    Canis New Member

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    ACTUALLY, it WAS Stalinist propaganda. The efforts of Stakhanov's coworkers were added to his total. The fraud was exposed during Gorbachev's reign in the late 1980s.

    Hey! Finally a use for my otherwise useless degree in Soviet studies! Huzzah, I didn't waste my college education after all!
     
  4. Sea Dog

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    Wow, they let you study Russia? :p Can you tell me whether Stalin was actually intelligent, academically?
     
  5. Vorak

    Vorak Administrator Staff Member

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    Stalin was what Lenin wanted to attract to the party, a basic working type, a 'rough diamond' if you will, he wasn't stupid. But lets just say he wasn't on the same scale as Vladimir Ulyanov (Lenin), Trotski or Molotov.
     
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    Yeah well he lasted a while and seemed to know how to control the people so I was just wondering. Was Lenin the man who took over Russia after the revoloution or am I thinking of someone else?
     
  7. Vorak

    Vorak Administrator Staff Member

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    There was a revolution in 1905 in which Lenin played no real part and while the october revolution was directed by him following his return to Russia in 1917 he wasn't actually there when the revolution started. Lenin really gained his power as a result of the civil war which was mainly run by him and Trotski. Stalin however did play his part in the war.

    Stalin was seen as to extreme and the Bolsheviks sent a man to see just how he was 'waging' the war. Stalin had the man killed and when an aide pointed out that this could cause problems concerning his career he reputably said:

    "Death ends all problems, no man, no problem"
     
  8. Canis

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    What do you mean he wasn't there? Have you been listening to Stalinist propaganda again, as in your first post?

    Lenin was in Petrograd when he convinced the Bolsheviks to plan an armed uprising, and I believe he was also in town when the Bolsheviks rose up, took Petrograd, and forced Kerensky to flee from Russia. To say he wasn't there when it started would require a rather severe interpretation of the facts. How are you interpreting them? Perhaps Lenin was not on site at any of the Bolshevik newspapers when Kerensky closed them down; as this was the spark which led to the actual uprising, you could say Lenin wasn't there. Or maybe he didn't lead the charge on the Winter Palace personally. Where was Lenin? Absent as always.

    I really have no interest in reciting any more details, as the facts are readily available to anyone and this is really not the best forum for a tutorial.
     
  9. JustaFishInaJar

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    Stalin seems to have had some pretty cool quotes. My favorite is,"A single death is a tragedy, but a million is a statistic."

    Any Russian history buffs may correct my quote because I'm sure its not 100% correct.
     
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    you just got that from red alert fish :roll:
     
  11. JustaFishInaJar

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    You :asshole: . I did not get that from Red Alert. In fact I just won a bid on Ebay like 1 hour ago for that game. Also when I was in high school I did a report on the many ways of dying and used that quote. Part of the whole citations page thingie that teachers require to get a good grade. Plus if I did get it from Red Alert it would not change the fact that Stalin did indeed say it. Unless Einstien invented a time machine that altered the past and lead Russia's victory of the U.S.

    P.S. Yes Chunky, I did get the last part from Red Alert. SO Blaaaaaaah
     
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    Funny, I don't see a crazed murder who killed millions of people (most of which were his own), deported thousands, condemed people with no evidence and killed the intelligensia, many of his own friends, members of his political party and armed forces as being very cool, nor do I find his quotes very cool.
     
  13. JustaFishInaJar

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    Didn't say I find Stalin cool. I said I find his quote cool. The reason I like it is because it's relavant to alot of mass killings, even those cause by so-called "good" countries. The U.S. mourns the fact that thousands died at Pearl Harbor, but revels in the fact it killed tons of Japanese with their atom bombs. Since those were the first nuclear weapons ever used, the death toll they caused were written down as a statistic so the next time we make one it can kill more.

    Aslo I hope Stalin's burning in Hell for the inhumane crimes he's committed.
     
  14. Twilight'sHammer

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    Fish, allow me to set you straight. America is NOT a good country. For that matter, there are very few countries which I would define as close to good. Most countries are quite intent on robbing those around them, and making themselves more profitable. I believe that every country in this world has, at one date or another, commited a massacre, or had one ordered. It's just that a lot of the time, we don't hear about it because it isn't in the news. Oh, and the media isn't liberal. They are all aiming to get ratings, so what they say is VERY rarely the whole truth. More often then naught, it's truth that's been watered down, and sugared up.
     
  15. JustaFishInaJar

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    Hence why my good was in quotations. It was slight sarcasm.
     
  16. rosenshyne

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    america is a good country, as are most of those in europe, and australia. just because we have a jackass for a president doesn't make us evil. yeah, there are problems, but every country has problems. yes, we massacred people in the past. so has everyone else. but given the choice between this country and a third world one, i think i'll stay here. we may not be perfect, but at least we have running water, reliable electricity, and a justice system that works most of the time. not to mention the freedom to say what we want, when we want, while practicing whatever religion we feel like.
     
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    And how did you hear about these massacres? Did your dad tell you? Did your friend tell you? Are you part of an elite group selected at birth to protect the world from itself? I'd probably say it was the first thing.
     
  18. Vorak

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    Hey, listen up amateurs. Australia (so far as I know) is the only nation to ever actually complete a genocide, all aboriginal peoples living in Tasmania and the areas surrounding Sydney were killed off 80-100 years ago.

    While many aboriginals still exist many people make the mistake of seeing them as one large people which they are not. The name 'aboriginal', merely means the native inhabitants of an area. The native inhabitants of Australia are in actual fact a collection of many smaller nationalities spread over the continent.
    (don't ask me for tribe names I can't pronounce let alone spell them)

    Also, while it is arguable that the NEP would have allowed the USSR to become the superpower it was, it remains a solid fact that Stalin's policies lead a nation that still used wooden ploughs when he came to power, to become a nuclear power at his death.
     
  19. Canis

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    :/

    Point being? If you look at it that way I could tell you stories about some of Hitler's great deeds.

    If we're all amateurs here, Richard, you're nothing but a poser.
     
  20. rosenshyne

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    america just cannot measure up to australia in the massacre area, i'm afraid... although we killed 90% of our indiginous population, the rest are still around making money off our lazy white asses through their tax-free casinos... i think the indians still might get the last laugh...


    yes, i called them indians. i know the PC term is native-americans, but the PC people can go shove a stick up their asses, they're still indians.
     
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