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  1. Xz

    Xz Monkey Admin Staff Member

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    kind of, but what i mean is that, what happened in the past should not effect what happens today. Or, shouldn't have done so. But it does, because of ignorance and lazyness.
     
  2. Blinky969

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    Well, Chernobyl is still being affected by the past, and that is because of neither ignorance or laziness. The past has its uses in teaching us what not to do, and in reminding us that letting stupid people form large groups is not very smart. But I have not been able to decipher any point to the ramblings of Mr. Hoff, and if there is no point to bringing up some past occurance, why do it?
     
  3. Xz

    Xz Monkey Admin Staff Member

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    yes, but when it comes to the stuff people can change by cooperaton.
     
  4. Canis

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    People aren't going to start cooperating just because it's a nice thing to do. Events of the past matter a great deal.
     
  5. DarkFool

    DarkFool Nemesis of the Ancients

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    Excuse me? Perhaps you're daft, but that's wrong. The first Crusade was made against the Turks, who were terrorizing Byzantine pilgrims. The only people who killed Jews were those following Peter the Hermit, a radical monk who led a small band of peasants, who raided and pillaged many villages for supplies, claiming the name of god. He took control of a Castle, and was promptly sieged by the Christian leaders. They cut off the water and food supplies to the castle, and they surrended, upon exiting the castle, they were all massacred.
     
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    That may be the case, but he was still white, so we're all evil.
     
  7. CharlesBHoff

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    Than good book writen by than Jew Historian disagree with you. Germany Crusader in the First one murder all Jewish man in a city in Germany and rape the woman , they also burn down than Jewish place of workship tthe attacker wore chaimmail and scale mail armour which poor people where not allow to wear unless in military unit and where unable to buy any way as metal armour was expensive and you have to have premison to buy it.
    Byyzantine Pilgrims have no ploblen visiting holy site . It was the western European pilgrim who have have problen visiting holy site due to they loud muise and drunkness behaviour and drink lot of alchol. Your history books are blias. I was reading than Muslim pampet on reporting blias books use in America school so the Islamic Conuil of America can ask to have then remove of correct or legal action will be taken.
     
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    And of-course if it's in the bible it MUST be true. Of-course it all depends on which bible your'e looking into at the time.
     
  9. Xz

    Xz Monkey Admin Staff Member

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    because of ignorance.
     
  10. CharlesBHoff

    CharlesBHoff New Member

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    Not when afew thousand man wearing full chaimmail armour rideing warhorse attack a jewish center in Germany, isnot than attack by Peter the Hermit mod. To even ride than horse you have to be than freeman or than Serf with special right to ride than horse. Europe societry have laws on weapon and armour ownship.. Than the city guard didnot stop than attack which mean they where outnumber by heavy armour knights and they man-at-arm which insluse serf who where allow to join they lord house as man-at-arm.
     
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    Isn't it equally ignorant of you to ignore history because the rest of humanity "should" do something just because you say so?
     
  12. Xz

    Xz Monkey Admin Staff Member

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    No, thats enlightment. but I'm not saying that anyone should do anything, I'm just saying what people are (doing).
     
  13. Canis

    Canis New Member

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    Your position isn't at all practical. Dismissing history and human behavior isn't enlightenment so much as arrogance.

    Personally I just think it's an excuse to be lazy and not learn about history and other cultures, since they don't matter after all.
     
  14. Xz

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    I have learned about history, I just don't think it should be relevant to the presense.
     
  15. Blinky969

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    And maybe in Narnia it isn't, but in the real world it is. My position is that if it isn't relevant to the present you shouldn't waste time bitching and moaning about it, since it can't be changed. But should we ignore the lessons of Rome, that if a country grows so large and it's government so unwieldy that it cannot operate efficiency it will falter?

    The past shouldn't be obsessed over, especially if it has no relevance to the present. But we haven't grown out of whatever human ignorance was present then, and the lessons still apply.
     
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    mathboy New Member

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    So you are enlightened like Charles?
     
  17. Blinky969

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    He's not stupid... he's just insane.... there's a difference.... not one that means anyone should listen to what he says.... but still a difference.
     
  18. Xz

    Xz Monkey Admin Staff Member

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    No I clearly stated that Chales is ignorant.
     
  19. Blinky969

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    I'm enlightened like a rug in a well-lit area.
     
  20. Xz

    Xz Monkey Admin Staff Member

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    Now, you gotta admit that my theory sn't too bad though...
     
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