They broke up, but can't move on.

Fresh Air · Oct 17, 2011

That's naive mate.

TheDavisChanger · Oct 17, 2011

magikot said:

If you want to live in a reasoned society and deal with man through reason other than force then shut the fuck up, grow the fuck up, and stop being a pretentious, self-righteous asshole.
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Scientology at its finest!

magikot · Oct 17, 2011

? I'm not a $cientologist. Those people are nuts. "Xenu ejaculated life onto the Earth and we are all born from alien sperm!"

Smuelissim0 · Oct 17, 2011

You seem to know a lot about it for someone who is not a Scientologist.

ytzk · Oct 17, 2011

The problem with the creation myth of scientology (I mean apart from it being complete bullshit) is that everyone's an enemy.

General Xenu's our enemy AND the unquiet spirits of the vanquished Thetans are our enemies. It means we have no choice but to seek the electronic salvation invented by the almighty Elrond Hubbard.

Even if it were all true, I'd just learn to live with the parasitic Thetan ghosts, thanks.

Smuelissim0 · Oct 17, 2011

You're glib.

TheDavisChanger · Oct 17, 2011

Get used to it.

Ezekiel said:

The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.
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Constipation · Oct 17, 2011

My favourite Mace Windu quote.

Arthgon · Oct 17, 2011

magikot said:

Arthgon said:

Some people would say that war is not that bad. You know. That is supposly good for the economy,
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War is never good for the economy.
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There are two totally different ideas about this sort of thing.

1)

The standard "a war gives the economy a boost" argument:

Let's suppose that the economy is in the low end of the business cycle, so we're in a recession or just a period of low economic growth. The unemployment rate is high, people may be making less purchases than they were a year or two ago, and overall output is flat. But then the country decides to prepare for war! The government needs to equip its soldiers with the extra gear and munitions needed in order to win the war. Corporations win contracts to supply boots, and bombs and vehicles to the army. Many of these companies will have to hire extra workers in order to meet this increased production. If the preparations for war are large enough, large numbers of workers will be hired reducing the unemployment rate. Other workers may need to be hired to cover reservists in private sector jobs who get sent overseas. With the unemployment rate down we have more people spending again and people who had jobs before will be less worried about losing their job in the future so they'll spend more than they did. This extra spending will help the retail sector, who will need to hire extra employees causing unemployment to drop even further.
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2)

The actual fact is that any war, even a war that is justified, has substantial costs argument:

Imagine an economy whose government spends 2 percent of its GDP on its military. (On average, the world's governments spend just under 2 percent of their countries' GDP on the military, and the U.S. government spends about 4 percent.) Then, imagine that the government suddenly gets into a war and raises military spending to 7 percent of national income. How does that affect people in that country? Whether the government finances the war effort with taxes or debt or by printing money is not very important. What matters much more is that the government now takes an additional 5 percent of the real output of that economy to wage its war. The government buys tanks, trucks, fuel, clothing, parachutes, bullets, guns, airplanes, and all the other paraphernalia of war. In addition, the government hires laborers away from other uses, or it drafts them. All of the capital and labor that go to produce the "outputs" of war is capital and labor that cannot be used in their previous uses. Thus, there is a cost of all these resources used in war – what economists call the "opportunity cost." "Opportunity cost" means the value of the highest-valued opportunity foregone. The opportunity cost of resources spent on war is the value of these resources in what they would have been used for had the government not gone to war.

Take World War II. The government spent a good deal more than 7 percent of GDP on the war, and, in fact, in 1944, the peak of the U.S. government's World War II spending (as a percent of gross national product), the government spent about 38 percent1 of gross national product on the war. (Gross national product, not gross domestic product, was the widely used measure back then. For the U.S. economy, the difference between the two measures is close to rounding error.) Where did the resources come from to make the hundreds of thousands of trucks and jeeps and the tens of thousands of tanks and airplanes? Much of the capital and labor would have been producing cars and trucks for the domestic economy. In fact, the assembly lines in Detroit, which had churned out 3.6 million cars in 1941, were retooled to produce the vehicles of war. By 1942, auto production was down to under 1 million. For the years 1943 to 1945, auto production was so low that Wikipedia does not even report it. During the period from late 1942 to the 1945, in other words, almost the whole of U.S. participation in the war, production of civilian cars was essentially shut down.

Consider fuel. Because the government wanted to buy fuel at an artificially low price, it imposed price controls on gasoline and put itself first in line. Then it issued ration cards to Americans, dramatically reducing the amount that normal Americans could buy at the controlled prices. In his autobiography, the late David Brinkley tells how he was unable to continue a serious romance during World War II because he couldn't legally buy gasoline to drive to the city where his lady friend lived. Even railroad seats were rationed, writes Brinkley, with priority given to military personnel. In the government's eyes, letting congressmen and other high-level government officials have all the gasoline they wanted, with the rare "X" stickers, was so important to the war effort that the amount available to them was not rationed at all. A young congressman named Lyndon B. Johnson took advantage of this, driving home to his district in Texas from Washington almost every weekend.

In short, the resources used for the war effort were not available to the typical American and his or her previous normal pursuits.

So imagine that somehow the United States had avoided entering World War II. I don't want to talk about the consequences for the world – that is controversial and, more important, completely separable from the issue of the war's effect on the U.S. economy. Millions of cars would have been produced; people would have been able to travel much more widely; and there would have been no rationing of meat, tires, nylons, eggs, butter, and sugar. In short, by the standard measures of prosperity, Americans would have been much more prosperous. And David Brinkley would have been able to pursue his true love. I mention this last consequence not to emphasize the trivia, but, in fact, to do the opposite – to emphasize one of millions of stories of the large human cost that befell even Americans whom the U.S. government did not put at risk of dying.

But I certainly shouldn't leave the issue of human cost without mentioning the ultimate cost – the 407,000 Americans who lost their lives because of the war. As one of my students, a U.S. military officer, put it in a classroom discussion, the war was not good for their economy, to put it mildly.
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Jojobobo · Oct 17, 2011

Interesting, what's the providence of your source(s) Arthgon?

Arthgon · Oct 17, 2011

Source 1)

http://economics.about.com/od/warandthe ... andeconomy

Source 2)

http://antiwar.com/henderson/?articleid=8662

Edit: Fixed

Jojobobo · Oct 17, 2011

Cool thanks.

Arthgon · Oct 17, 2011

Your welcome. I have fixed the links, because there went something wrong with it.

Smuelissim0 · Oct 17, 2011

I'll tell you what went wrong with it. You quoted a massive block of text written by someone else without adding any contribution of your own. Not cool, dude. You should write your own summary of what it says and then provide a link to the original so we can read further. Otherwise you look like you don't really know what you're talking about, but you found an article online and are copying it here to try to look smart.

Anyway, now I'm off to get banned. (Removes jacket) See, it is that time when (Slips off shoes) a man has to stand up and face what is coming (Undoes shirt buttons, one by one) whether it be good or bad (Takes off shirt) with dignity and poise (Lifts up right leg to remove sock) and a firm self-belief (Hops awkwadly on right leg to remove left sock) that no matter what transpires (Undoes belt, pants fall down) there will always be the constant voice of inner calm (Takes off t-shirt, revealing a smooth torso, contours of muscle, and pert nipples responding to the kiss of the cool evening air) that is both simple (Hooks thumbs into waistband of underpants) and profound (Hoiks them down with one easy movement, turning away as your eyes desperately strain for a glimpse of peen, but your gaze falls only on the taut buttocks that undulate hypnotically as supple legs carry them into the distance). You think to yourself, "Did I ever really know this man?" but there comes no answer, save for moonlight casting shadows on a pile of discarded clothes. And you realise that we are all like shadows in this virtual meeting place. Or maybe we're all like the discarded clothes. I dunno - whichever works better.

You could definitely see my huge dick swinging between my legs as I walked away though.

See y'all!

Arthgon · Oct 17, 2011

I had written a full summary about this, but thanks to the wonders of the internet it was fucking gone. Now I am just to too lazy to write the little wall of text all over again. Perhaps later on.

ytzk · Oct 18, 2011

I've never said this to anyone before, Smuel, but: rofl, sir, rofl.

Zanza · Oct 18, 2011

Smuelissim0 · Oct 18, 2011

(Runs back to fish wallet out of pants pocket)

Okay, so my grand exit has been slightly spoiled by the absence of banning, but I'm sure it's coming any moment now.

P.S. Glad I could be your first, ytzk.

Arthgon · Oct 18, 2011

*counting the money from the wallet* I agree with ytzk about this. That really made my day.

TheDavisChanger · Oct 18, 2011

Your martyrdom will be complete once Darkfool bans you again.

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