The Truth (As I see it)

It worked as I am not the least bit offended by your previous post.

 

I don't see why you, in particular, could be, TDC.



UNLESS!

 

Praise Jesus!

 

We can't ask God though. Nobody has ever had any kind of scientific knowledge imparted to them by God. That's kind of the point of God, really.

I never said the system was infallible. It is designed to be better than any individual human, but it can still get things wrong. Similarly, I think we'd all agree that the current justice system is better than individual people deciding whether to take revenge for perceived crimes on an ad-hoc basis, but nobody would claim that the justice system is infallible. It's just the best system we've been able to come up with. And science is the best system we've been able to come up with for discovering universal truths.

Heh, I like the way you put "voice" in quotes. Because, obviously, God doesn't literally speak to people. He just gives them a vague feeling in their "hearts" that's indistinguishable from a naturally occuring feeling.

Wait... you said THAT? Well, this has been a complete waste of time then.

I bet that attitude gets you lots of friends wherever you go.

 

It does, every party needs a cleric.

 

Not after the raping that the cleric - I mean Templar - got from WotC today. Now you're better off taking a Warlord - excuse me, Marshal - with you.

 

I forgive you.

 

Man, this guy's going straight to heaven!

 

Well, since science requires independent verification, asking anybody anything isn't scientific. But there is a difference between knowledge and scientific knowledge, and I trust in knowledge that I gain from others.

Best system, Infallible... whatever. It's the same concept when you consider how it affects behavior and emotions. If you take an action because you trust, when your trust proves unfounded, you feel betrayed. Because you don't wish to feel betrayed without reason, you don't betray that which you trust. As such, those that trust science over scripture will not trust scripture when it disagrees with what you view as science, even if what you view as science isn't science. It's all a matter of emotions and the perception of you think you know.

Not that this is agrument about what you personally view as science. It's argument that supports what I said before.

To most he doesn't literally speak. But he does speak to some. And by some, I mean a lot more than you think, but a lot less than everybody.

Well, normally I don't tell people that. However, since no one seems to believing me anyways, why not tell you the truths that you are not going to believe?

Scenario 1) This is an attempt at humor. But because I am not laughing...
Scenario 2) How has this been a waste of time?

What it all (and I mean Everything) comes down to is that we view the world differently. From the validity of what constitutes knowledge to our sense of humors. But I don't veiw that as a bad thing. (IDIC - Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations.)

 

This guy's cracked.

Yes: the right way and the wrong way. Whereas Smuel is able to admit he's wrong and say that things are the way they are because he can see and test and determine and describe and demonstrate that that's how they are, you're content with a fallacious argument that traces back to unfounded beliefs in something which the only grounds for believing in, rather than believing in anything else, are your own interpretation of a translation of an interpretation of an interpretation of some book that may or may not be absolute horseshit, which is either, worst case scenario, belief in complete lies, or, best case scenario, a fallacy.

 

I do play Pathfinder. I also play 4e (as a bard), Shadowrun (as a hacker), and Vampire: the Requiem (Mekhet). My group (4 of us) and I rotate the systems so we play a different system every Sunday and each player chose a system to DM. I'm DMing the Pathfinder game.

 

How have you managed to communicate with anyone, ever?

 

Man, I love Shadowrun. What's Pathfinder?

 

3.X edition D&D but be... wo... different.

 

And the difference would be that scientific knowledge has been verified by experiment and evidence, and is therefore more likely to be true.

Even if what I view as science isn't science? I believe the response I'm looking for is "LOL WUT?"

From an objective viewpoint, God doesn't speak to anyone. Or, at best, if he DOES speak to people, the things he says make no difference to their lives at all. This much is clear from the fact that Christians aren't measurably different from any other sector of the population. They don't make more scientific breakthroughs, or come up with better legislation, or run more efficient businesses. Admittedly some studies have shown that religious people are slightly happier. But even if that is correct, it demonstrates that the power of the almighty creator of the universe is no greater than a mild opiate. That doesn't indicate "conveyer of universal truths" to me.

Not to mention that those studies are scientific, which means that not only have I brought up something that arguably goes against my own position (as scientists are perfectly willing to do), but you must discount such a study as being only "scientific knowledge" and therefore not carrying much weight at all. I don't suppose you want to make an exception in this case?

Those aren't "truths", they're your own perceptions deluding you.

I agree that we seem to have different notions of what knowledge and truth are. And I also don't think it's that much of a bad thing. As far as I'm concerned, You People are allowed to go around believing whatever you want. What I object to is when you start interfering with the work of scientists and teachers, and brainwashing vulnerable young minds.

Not that I'm saying I think YOU do that. But other people who share your views do, and that's why I take against your views.

 

I feel that he has personally anally raped my vulnerable young mind with his massive, veiny, sweaty boner of stupidity!

 

Paizo's continuation of the D&D 3.5 system after Wizard's dropped it with quite a few tweaks, but completely compatible with all the D20 books.

 

http://www.cracked.com/article_19213_7-animals-that-are-evolving-right-before-our-eyes.html

You can prove anything with facts...

 

Blasphemous Jewish confusion! Away with your magic and nonsense! I'll have no part in facts! The Bible is the source of all Truth, whether it is true or not!