So you think you're a Hero?

Oh, I didn't get it. If they made such a game let us know how it feels to play it. If you'll still be able to.

They should but I doubt they will. I didn't play RF but I heard that windows left hanging in the air happened more than often so it's probably hard to program it. It would be great if they did develop it htough. After all player should think twice before shooting from an RPG in a room with acid filled vats.

 

Maybe, but maybe not; it constantly surprises me how often people think that we've reached some kind of plateau in some domain or another and the invariance with which the plateau is surpassed.

You and I and other gamers have all been conditioned, Jinxed. We voluntarily climbed inside the box and every same-old-thing game release is like a foot stepping on our head. Getting outside the box isn't going to be easy for us.

I assume that my imagination is limited and that others exist with greater creative capacity. So, although I cannot conceive a new type of game, I think someone else might be able to. I wouldn't be surprised to see two or three new games to arise in future or maybe significant variations on existing games.

 

Your comment reminds me of:
"No one will ever need more than 640K of RAM." -Bill Gates

:razz:

 

Dragoon, what I wrote was a joke.

Fatman, you have to agree that even great ideas and imagination have limits which is pretty much defined by our current evolution status of the brain. If there was no limit, well. Heh, that's hard to define or imagine.

I've been a gamer for a very long time now, things have come a long way indeed since I was playing Commander Keen on my 286 with pc speaker.

But, what I think the genres today is that they have been developed to their full capacity. I can't think of anything new nor have I seen anything new. What's worse is that I haven't even heared a good idea for a long time now.
This doesn't mean that someone will come up with something as revolutionary as viagra in the gaming world. But frankly, I doubt it.

I don't really have anything against games as they are today. Hell, I have been playing the same game for 6 months now. (everyday)

But what I said about realism, you know, I didn't think this up on the fly.

I know there are certain mats on which you can stand while playing a beat them up game and execute moves on it. Your movement is scanned and then replicated in the game. Now that's progess. And it has been around for some time now. The down part is that it's not very accurate and there is a big limit of what a normal person can do on such a mat. (no high flying moves) But this IS a big step forward.

I just don't see how such a feature could be implemented into say, an rpg.

I'm hoping that I'll live to see and experience a real virtual reality, one which doesn't stand out as it is in present day.

 

Maybe when we're young like us (hoho), small amounts of time seem larger. You remember back to 286s, so consider:

- When was the first business management (Tycoon style game)?
- When was the first RTS?
- When was the first isometric RPG (as opposed to FP, Bard's Tale types)?
- Was The Sims (a game just a coupla years old) not revolutionary in a small way?

All those game types/genres have arisen formed during the last decade, some of them in the last few years. If you plotted game genre formations/revolutions on a graph, I bet you'd see they have been popping up or mutating every coupla years or so. They'll be others along at some point soon, with any luck.

Still, we just have to wait and see.

As for the the limits of the human imagination, maybe it exists, but the imagination is spurred by context, context is the world, and the world is ever-changing, never quite repeating, so the limits are too large for me to comprehend.

 

Wow. That's inspiring. 3 I think I'm gonna save that quote...

 

Fatman, I'm looking for something called a "breakthrough". The changes that happen in our world now seem too hard for me to notice. All I see is terrorism, melting ice cap and spending money on weapon research instead of getting a cure for cancer. RPG games have not come such a long way actually. All the basic ideas in todays games have been taken from books, movies and previous games. There hasn't been something really original and why? Because we simply ran out of ideas. Of course, with time new will come, but they will be overshadowed by many other things.
Think about it, what is it you can add to a game (any genre) to make it really stand out? Lets use Max Payne as an example. It had astonoshing graphics, good sounds and a lot of gameplay. But how was it so much of an "improvement" from the other games of its type? Absolutely none. It had a lot of other "add ons" that made it good. And why were we surprised? Easy, the last good 3rd person perspective was tomb raider, and the only improvements in that series over the years was higher resolutions, lightning and the ability to stand on your arms. The only 3rd pp game that stood proud as Max was Hitman. And again, not much of a "development" there, good motion capture and a nice main character.
New games aren't really anything new. A new story, up to date graphics and music quality. That's how it has been because there isn't much you could work on. We are limited by our own minds.

Elaborating on what I said about games not going anywhere, well, you said it yourself that games aren't as appealing as they were. I feel the same and you know the reason why.

Good graphics and music aren't good enough to keep you interested like before.

 

The gaming industries are all going out to make the perfect 3d graphics game these days. To hell with plot of a game or style and substance, as long as the graphics are cool it must be a good game.

Why else would everyone be upgrading graphics cards these days if they don't want pretty 3d games with no substance. You could argue that upgrading has been done because 3dfx cards are obsolete (poor me) and GeForce 4s are really cheap (yay me) and that we have no option because all games seem to be 3d and require at least 32meg cards. I have gone nowhere with this. A bit like games these days.

 

Jinxed, I'd argue (and I will ) that gaming is currently undergoing a lot of evolution and very little revolution. Evolution is fine, in fact it's needed to spur revolution on to greater heights, but it's primary function is to refine the revolutions. Civilisation was a revolution. Civ 2 and 3 have been evolutions, with very little, if any, revolution in their gameplay.

MMORPG's are the flavour of the month, and as such experiencing more revolution than in other areas, and not as much evolution. Other genres are evolving, but aren't experiencing any sudden revolutions that change games. MMORPG's are a change, new concepts are being developed and implemented. Conversely, less evolution is occuring with them, because much of their potential has not been realised, therefore the comparitively small amount of features so far implemented are being improved upon, while others are being added that are changing the way they are played.

FPS's have very little more room for revolution in their current format. Until we develop suits that use nerve induction to simulate the pain that the character feels, and to transmit the player's true abilities to the character in the game, I'd say that FPS's have very little room for improvement in gameplay areas. Unless they do something like Deus Ex and similar games - melding them with other genres - that area of gaming will grind to a holt. It's already pretty slow.

RTS's are, along with MMORPG's, probably the established genre with the most room for revolution. RPG's come behind it, because most of them these days use D&D rules, and let's face it, most of those games are pretty similar. Games which don't use those rules will stand out, but ultimately RPG's weaknesses are MMORPG's greatest strengths, and vice versa.

I can further discuss this, but it would take too much time, and should probably have an entire thread devoted to it.

 

Geee, thanks for explaining Jinxed like I didn't get it. Btw my line was also supposed to be a joke. Maybe not a great one but still a joke. Ok it was like 2/10. Oh screw it.

 

Jar, Sheriff, I guess we are thinking about a different kind of progress. What I'm looking for is something completly new. Something that would keep me interested as long as games did before. With our limited mind capacity we are unable to make up something like this at this stage. Not yet.