So you think you're a Hero?

The Heroes IV multiplayer patch is finally here. Now I can stop worrying about AI, and play some real people.

I know there are a few Heroes fans out there. Get the patch, play the game, then lets talk about a TA Heroes tournament.

Beware: the patches do not include previous patches, so make sure you get all the ones you need. Also, you have to get them from singlefileplanet, so be prepared to queue.

 

Uh, I'm not so sure that playing heroes on line is such a hot idea. I mean, some people take ages, and I mean AGES to finish their turn. I would probably quit gaming if such a scenario took place while I was playing.

 

I suppose that thought had occured to me too

 

Hey, I don't get it why people are so pissed when I finally do my turn after 1.5hrs - I have to eat dinner&walk the dog, don't I. After all it is my turn. So who wants to play with me?

 

Nice spamming asshole. I mean, that contributed so much to the thread, I wonder why no one else said that before.

Jinxed, do you really think so little of the designers that they wouldn't have thought of that? Admittedly, I know nothing about the game, but don't you think they might have addressed that issue? I know with Civ 3, they certainly are when the multiplayer add-on comes out.

 

Expansion will support email mplayer. However, even though I have dial-up with lousy 30hrs/month limit, I don't find it appealing.

 

Jar, Heroes is a turn based game. There is NO way to speed it up. Once you click on the end turn button, that's when it rolls, not sooner. The designers could add some sort of time limit on turns, or perhaps such options to be set by players before the game starts.
I played the game on hot seat for a long time and I must admit that when an experienced player plays against someone semi experienced, the experienced player (like me) gets bored rather quickly. And man, think about the battles, they take shit loads of time. (especially near the ending) I suppose you could use the quick combat option or whatever to have the AI play for you. But the bad part about this is that the AI utterly sucks and playing out combat is a lot of fun.

 

NWC fired half of the ppl working on heroes 4,
so u can guess how lousy it is

 

go HOMM2

NWC fired half. Isn't heroes there main thing.
Still i think they souldn't make another Heroes of Might and Magic and try to do something radically different that HOMM fans would like and i dont mean their Might and Magic series.

You cant just keep upgrading graphics and call it a new game.

 

Sure you can, carlstar. It just won't help, but it's going to be done anyway.

 

As I understand it, soon after delivery of HoMM4 many NWC employees were given the option of re-locating to the 3DO main offices (at their own expense) or leaving the company.

The company then announced that it would be returning to its roots, by going back to developing one game at a time and focusing on successful products. They said there will be an expansion pack for HoMM4 and they would build a fifth game in the series.

I like HoMM4. It grasps me about as much as Heroes 3 did, which is to say nowhere near as much as number 2 did. They redesigned several elements, which changed the gameplay in enough ways to freshen it up, but it is still essentially the same game an I'm kinda played out on it.

If they do a fifth title, I wouldn't be all that sure of sales. I've noticed that game sales seem to be determined by hype. Hype for new games comes from advertising and the quality of the game itself, but hype for sequels comes from excited players of the previous versions. If the last title in a series didn't get people hooked enough, they'll not rush out and buy the next one. At the moment Heroes excitement it at a low ebb. If the expansion pack doesn't jolly things up, the fifth title might not be worth making from a sales perspective.

Jinxed is right about the old hot seat games of Heroes. I played hotseat extensively with other competent players and also played LAN games on Heroes 2 and 3. I always got bored waiting for my turn.

I haven't played any multi on this version yet (because you bastards are all losers and noone offfered to play me), but they would need to have put a time limit on or some other measure. Maybe doing the AoW thing and offering a simultaneous mode would have been enough.

 

Fatman, I'm a hardcore heroes player. We would play. There is only one catch, I've got the polish version, there is no multiplayer patch for it, and even if there was I doubt we could play on different versions of the game. The English version costs 15$ more. 15$ I saved. I would have to buy it again, or warez it. Both options are really unappealing

 

Not the HOMM beast

Yep and thats bad.

I think most people who have been a long time HOMM fan says HOMM2 is the best.

As for an expansion. No, not another one. Thats when heroes went down hill for me. That elemental expansion thing came out and then to top it off the undead thing appeared.
Maybe they can do really cool things for the expansion but im doubtful.

 

Carlstar, If you would be a heroes fan, you would know that part 4 is most progresive in terms of gameplay development. In the previous productions it was more of a graphics deal.

I would compare civ one and civ three. Now that's a good example of what you talked about.

 

HOMM3 goes to the farm

Thats true jinxed but it just seemed to get old really quickly.

I guess new players will come along and some old ones will go on to something else.

Never mind, i guess i will just have to find something better and isn't that what its all about, looking. Experiencing the new, the journey to the unknown, the constant prattling on.

 

What got old? That's your gaming endurence, not everyone elses.

Better graphics, better sound and so on is a big part of development.

How about FPS games? What has been done since Wolf 3d? Not much. Sound and graphics. But a lot of people play them nonetheless. There isn't much you can change in heroes because the main core of it is what makes it so nice and makes the game original. (also not complicated)
Would the next step in FPS allow you to shoot yourself? Or perhaps get shot? I can't wait...

 

I would say it's different. The whole movement/aiming and damage was rehauled (you didn't have area damage in W3D).

In the AvsP2 add-on you can blow yourself up while playing predator.

 

Plus, Carlstar just said Heroes 4 got old for him quick, and never said anything about FPS having lasting appeal.

For the record, I lost interest in Heroes 4 relatively quickly, too. Then again, I seem to lose interest in every game quickly, these days.

 

Dragoon, what I meant about getting shot was the player getting actually shot. (not in the game)

Ok, I'll give you the area damage. but hey, that's nothing. I tested anyone here and maybe I'm answering too quickly but there has been a little brakethrough. In Red Faction, the player is able to destroy walls, and not just the marked ones with a crack, he is able to dig a tunnel in a way then turn 90 degrees to brake into another room. (nerfed in multiplayer)
Now that's progress. I hope they build on it.

My two cents about progress in games is that most of what could've been attained in games is already here. There isn't much we can do. The nest logical breakthrough would be reality. One which is present in Sci-Fi books and movies.