Shut up

I've been in a position before where I have been on the wrong end of bugs and needed to bitch about it. A lot of the times the helpful responses from those complaints helped me get over the bug on a technical level or at least adjust my perspective so I could think "well, it's not that important."

Fortunately, I only experience one serious bug ('show stopper', as Calis said) in Arcanum (patched) and one in Fallout 2 (patched). They were, strangely, both fixed by a switch of video card.

I've never been a "god machine" guy and have been known to use the odd generic component, so I can't imagine I'm the only one having virtually uninterrupted play on a typical spec system.

 

I installed Arcanum few times and every timw there are some new wierd bugs.
this time(what i'm currently playing),i almost dont have any bugs.
acsept of the Z'an z'lurin bug(read the topic:"Z'an A'lurin is a guy!!"

 

Is it just me, or does the "are you sure you want to quit" bug always occur at some point after Virgil leaves and/or you pick up Raven?
It wouldn't surprise me if Virgil the Dumbass is the cause of the whole problem. He has a BUG up his ass.
And Ring Lord, you're right. Each install seems to have its own set of glitches. Some times the game runs pretty well, sometimes you can tell from the start there's going to be a problem. Sometimes I just reinstall right away because I can tell everything is going to be FUBAR later on.
Sorry for all the edits.

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I could be wrong, but I am having trouble believing that each install would have different bugs unless you make changes to the system on which it's being installed.

Could it be that the variance is due to changes in the game state (ie. the bug's presence is related to things you have done within the game?)?

 

Maybe...maybe..
but when i reinstalled the game(i had the same bug as Kane),the bugs were gone!

 

Hello, Sheriff.
I've reinstalled many times on the same system, and my computer exceeds all of Sierra's preferences. Sometimes it takes, sometimes it doesn't. I've installed it through my NEC CD and through my Plextor, and this doesn't seem to affect whether the game is smooth or not.
As far as influencing performance due to previous play, I suppose it could happen, but I haven't noticed any marked degredation of gameplay after concurent installs. i.e. I don't think the software is damaged. Whew. I'm out of words.
Damn, why can't I get through a post without editing?

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I had quite a few bugs which were fixed by patches later on, the game still crashes occasionally but the worst BUG is slowdown to the freeze level which is irritating enough to ruin the game and totally destroy replay value.

 

Well, I'm not at all confident of the ground I'm standing on here, especially since I only re-installed once (unnecessarily as it turned out, after reading the Sierra advice on little black triangles).

Since you've actually been through it, and you seem pretty coherent, I reckon I'll have to just chalk it up as something I don't understand.

Just one minor point - I wasn't trying to suggest specifically that things you have done before have caused the problem.

I meant that the sum of all your actions within the game can be said to produce an overall state of the game, so even a minor difference in your actions could theoretically cause a bug to appear that you hadn't seen before.

If you had just re-installed the game, you might arrive at the possibly erroneous conclusion that the process of uninstall/re-install had given rise to the bug.

 

"Pretty coherent"? Why, thank you! That's the nicest compliment I've had in weeks.
I see what you mean. A deviation from the norm raises new possibilities, and so I get new bugs. Only thing is, though, I've played this game a LOT, and I've reinstalled many, many times, thinking there must be a problem with the 'puter -- surely no one would release a game so buggy -- and I've tried all sorts of characters and plots. I've been an evil Dwarf Techie and an Elven Mage. I've been a Jedi and a Master of Persuasion. I've been Shirley McLain (sp?). No NEW bugs show up (well, nothing fatal), but the old ones remain.
The game is fatally flawed, though, as far as replaying it is concerned. It's exasperating!
"i can't go on...
i really
can't go on
i swear
i can't go on
so
i guess
i'll get up
and go on"

 

Holy shit, I am glad to see that my post has gotten this much publicity. And jinxed, I know you posted this a while ago, but you said that console game dont have bugs (I think) but if you have every played glodeneye 007 for the N64, there are hundreds of bugs (exaduration) :evil:
but sorry if that is not what you said

 

okey. Maybe so, I never had anything other than a dreamcast and ps/ps2 and I never met a game with bugs there, Even so that is only ONE game, compared to the numbers of games released I say it's very good odds. It's pc tradidtion, you buy a game, you download a patch as soon as one is released, and that is normally within the same week as the game publishing. Now that sucks. Also the patch doesn't fix all the bugs, and as statd before, in arcanums case, do I wait 3 months for a patch that will make the game run atleast in a reasonable fashion?

 

Oh, God, I read this old thread when I was lurking. And yet, I must respond. It's the medication.

The only console game I EVER had a problem with is Final Fantasy Tactics for PS. I don't know what happened. I beat the game a couple times and it never worked again. Too bad, because I liked that game.

Other than that, though, console games are damn steady. I never had to wait for a patch to play one to the end.

 

It might be something to do with the platform. You have zero other process running and you can completely predict the precise nature of the o/s and hardware. That's gotta make it easier to develop.

Even though I believe software houses should fully support their target platforms, it has to be a much harder tasks given the number of nuances of O/S configuration as well as the processes competing for resources.

Then again, the difference in stability could also have something to do with "we'll patch it tomorrow" mentality.

 

Well said Sheriff. Very even-handed.
As computer sales have overtaken console sales (I think), computer games haven't been able to keep pace with the demand, for reasons you and others have stated. This must change! That's why I'm starting another group (my first was D.A.M.M. or Drunks Against Meddling Mothers), and I'm calling it the Foundation for Utilizing Computer Knowledge.