Actually my thoughts are on dark elves in particular, but the discussion will probably (hopefully, that is) include other races as well. Having witnessed the rather unpleasant reactions to "grave digging" old threads, I dared not post in this one viewtopic.php?t=17292 , although I'd very much like to continue its discussion which was left mostly unfinished. The game itself is ambiguous on whether the difference between elves and dark elves is of biological or philosophical nature. Personally I believe the former to be true, mainly because the actual character sheet of your dark elf follower (and, I assume, that of any other member of her tree house) expressly states that she's a dark elf, but also because there would be little reason for two different philosophical branches using different racial icons. In the previous thread the manual appendix A-2: Races was presented as an authority on Arcanum's races, but to me it seems that the manual attempted to mirror the scientific racism and other pseudoscience of our 19th century. I mean, the fact that it's supposed to be written by a human who's claiming that all other races originates from humanity is a bit suspicious to me. (Not to mention that the "author" John Beddoes works for the Tarant University where phrenology and demonology are major subjects. The game let's us make fun of the honorable professor Gershwin in order to ridicule the institution.) The lack of mention the dark elves suffer from in appendix A-2 isn't sufficient evidence for them not being an actual race. Now, supposing that dark elves indeed are a race of their own, what do we make of their origin? I have this idea to offer: Human racial icon: crossed guns Elf racial icon: bow Half-elf racial icon: crossed bow and gun The same goes for the relation between humans, ogres (crossed clubs) and their half-ogre children (crossed gun and club); the relation between humans, orcs (crossed swords) and half-orcs (crossed sword and gun). Now consider the following. Elf racial icon: bow Orc racial icon: crossed swords Dark-elf racial icon: crossed bow and sword I'll leave you with that. Now I'm straight off to bed! Any thoughts?