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  1. Bunny

    Bunny New Member

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    Sure! Someone absolutely gorgeous and stunning may take pleasure from seeing how you squirm in pain because you can't have their hot bodies.
     
  2. Vyenna

    Vyenna New Member

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    How 'bout cutting someone's toes off with a butter knife. Does that stem from vanity too?
     
  3. Bunny

    Bunny New Member

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    What if the other person had prettier toes?
     
  4. Vyenna

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    what if the other person had uglier toes?
     
  5. Tias

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    It's not that I don't find this interesting or anything, but if you have time for witty banter, couldn't you also please find time to help me with my problem?
     
  6. Jungle Japes

    Jungle Japes Well-Known Member

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    No.

    Anyway, I think it's more that evil people just don't care if what they are doing is wrong. They give no consideration to how it will affect other people, because other people don't matter. All that matters to them are their own goals and ambitions.
     
  7. Bunny

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    I think you only need a certain degree of intelligence and persuasion, you don't even need the max stats, just a decent level. Anyway, he doesn't stick to his plans so rigidly.

    I just wanted to use the spoiler tag. :)
     
  8. Vorak

    Vorak Administrator Staff Member

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    I refer you back to your own words.

    Now if someone does something because they like to do it then they are displaying vanity, to a varying degree depending upon what they are actually doing.

    I'm of the reasoning that someone who you would consider evil would commit their suppossedly evil acts because at some level or they gain pleasure from it. If they gain pleasure from it you can then stem this to having pride in ones actions, if something stems from pride then it is really only a display of vanity. Such an individual only commits 'evil' acts in order to fulfill their own sense of vanity and being a vain person does not make you evil.

    A truly evil person is someone who commits an act because they believe that it is something that needs/should be done, they believe that said act is a necessary thing to do, they are not acting out of vanity but out of their own sense of right and wrong.
     
  9. Sofokl

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    I think it's sure that the evil and the good of such as Kerghan's size cannot be judjed on the same scale as the small deeds. Kerghan's projects has both advantages and disadvantages
     
  10. Vyenna

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    The more you explain your view on 'evil', the more i disagree with you. If you do it because your sense of right and wrong is "wrong", then it would have to be because you had a bad upbringing/parents or youre insane. Either way it's not really your own sense of right and wrong. If youre insane, youre... well, insane. If you had a bad upbringing its the people that brought you up who gave you that sense, at least its base.

    Now, even though "my" evil stems from vanity, I still feel its true evil. Nobody likes a vain person, nobody likes an evil person. (except people who look up to them because they're wannabies)
     
  11. Mag the Bloody-handed

    Mag the Bloody-handed New Member

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    ....

    Who is to say if a person is wrong in murdering another person, as emotion and the ability of violence are instinctual not taught or learned.

    What is taught is what humanity believes is a right or wrong act, as well as the ability to control emotion, action and thought.

    It's a human concept, not a universal set of standards which every creature follows.
     
  12. Vyenna

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    The more I think about my post, the more I hate it. I still feel the way I said earlier, but the way I formulated it was really bad.

    [edit]: And now I made it worse... Oh, joy.
     
  13. Wolfsbane

    Wolfsbane Well-Known Member

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    To be evil is to do something wrong, when you know it´s wrong and that it´s hurting other people, and doing it anyway.

    that´s what I call evil.
     
  14. Bunny

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    But what if wrong is the way it has to be? Is it still wrong when there's no other way?
     
  15. Wolfsbane

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    No. Wrong only occurs when there are multiple options, not just one. There can only be a wrong way when it, at the same time, exists a better way, a way better for everyone.
     
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    There is no such thing as a way better for everyone. And there's no absolute wrong or right.
     
  17. Wolfsbane

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    but better for a majority of individuals, rather than a minority. that´s what I meant, just wrote it wrong.
     
  18. Xiao_Caity

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    Whoa, this turned deep.

    *ahems*

    Much of the most potent evil in this world is that of Pragmatism gone too far - the belief that evil things must be done in order for good to result. Kerghan is a PERFECT example of this.

    He believes that all life is suffering, and that he must kill everyone to destroy the pain. That's Pragmatism taken a few notches too far if ever I encountered it.

    Of course, there is sheer evil for evil's sake, but Kerghan isn't like that.
     
  19. Wolfsbane

    Wolfsbane Well-Known Member

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    but Kerghan is not evil! He is just misinformed and confused.
     
  20. rEt.aR.d

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    The way I see it, if you believe an action to be a good action, then it is, for you. What is a good action to you may not be a good action to others, but others don't really matter, as long as that is what you truly believe in your soul and your mind.

    How do you know if you've performed an evil or "wrong" action? If you are constantly bugged by your conscience then it is an evil action, for you. But this isn't always true.

    What I mean by this is that you should at all costs avoid actions that you believe to be wrong. If something keeps plagueing your mind constantly after you have done it, you should try to in some way to correct it. For example, if you've lied to your best friend and it keeps bugging you, it's best to apologize to them and tell them the truth. If you don't belive lieing to be wrong then it won't bother you so you don't need to apologize. But once again, this isn't always true.

    Why doesn't an evil act to you always seem evil to you? If you keep performing evil acts, and you don't correct them, but just keep ignoring your concience, it will later transform you. You will no longer think of it as an evil act, even though it is. You will become a being of evil, but you won't notice it.

    That is why truly evil beings don't consider themselves evil. If you consider yourself evil you can't be truly evil, BUT you are on the way of becoming evil.

    So, how can we stop from becoming evil? If something bothers you find some way to correct it and try your best to keep yourself from doing it in the future.

    That's how I see it anyways :D .

    Edit: Having said that, Kerghan might be evil, but I don't think he is. If he were truly evil then he wouldn't be able to realise that his actions are wrong. It think he was instead good, but on the path to evil. If you don't persuade him, but instead join him, I think you and he both become evil. After slaughtering everyone in the world, believing it to be wrong (which I think Kerghan eventually did) you can't really be good now can you.
     
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