How do you read

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  1. wayne-scales

    wayne-scales Well-Known Member

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    this: A'?

    I have in my head that it's read A [pronounced like the letter, rather than the word] dash; but I dunno where I got that from.
     
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    I read it like a canadian would say "eh", eh?
     
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    I can't parse it into anything meaningful, so I'm left with what I see. So I read it as "italic A, question mark".
     
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    wayne-scales Well-Known Member

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    Hi WS, good to see you again.

    An odd question. I'm not sure I understand it.

    Are you talking about the letter A, or the word, A?

    I pronounce the letter as ay as in hay, and the word as either the same or as long sound a as in fall. I never pronounce the word as in cat or dash.

    In Sanskrit, the letter transcribed as A is also pronounced as the syllable, A, which is always long, as in fall. There is never a variation in pronunciation no matter the context. The only variation is AA which is the same long sound held for twice as long.

    Therefore avatar (ah va tar) and himalaya (hee mah lah ya) are always mispronounced in English.

    Well, you did ask how I read it.
     
  6. Grossenschwamm

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    Re:

    I need some context. Where did you end up seeing this A'? Yes, I noticed the apostrophe.

    Until then, I'm thinking the same "a" sound as in "far."
     
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    C'mon guys, this is wayne-scales. He's talking about mathematical notation.

    I also call it "A dash", and as I recall it's what my maths teachers called it too.
     
  8. wayne-scales

    wayne-scales Well-Known Member

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    I'm disappointed at ytzk's level of autism.

    And, actually, it's a music thing.
     
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    No, I'm pretty sure you're talking about the mathematical notation.
     
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    I think it's more likely that you were being deliberately obtuse, WS, than my missing the subtleties of your post.

    I would say that you were being autistic by replying my sincere welcome with an insult, except I know that it's just you being a miserable bastard.

    Good to see you anyway, you old dog.
     
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    Thou shalt not delete thy post.
     
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    An apostrophe in music is normally a breath mark, so I'm thinking;

    I had something, but breath marks never appear with letters as I've seen them, or as I can research them.

    I think what you may have is an A that has an incomplete 1 next to it (as in A1, A2, etc.), to more easily identify a section of the music.

    You wouldn't happen to have a picture you could post, would you?
     
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    As a matter of fact I do:

    [​IMG]

    No need to thank me.
     
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    I'm disappointed at everyone's level of autism.
     
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    I'm disappointed at everyone's lack of knowledge that nobody has had the confidence to come right out and say that there is no such "A dash" in standard music notation. In classical notation, you don't refer to notes by name at all. In guitar music you can use letters to denote chords, with symbols following them to specify the type, but an apostrophe isn't one of the symbols. So I'm guessing either this is a custom shorthand that someone made up, in which case you'd have to ask them how they pronounce it, or else as Grossenschwamm suggested it's actually a different symbol altogether that has been poorly written (or read).
     
  20. wayne-scales

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    I'm disappointed at Smuel's mistaking his arrogant ignorance for confidence.

    In standard classical notation, there are a variety of ways to name notes: by scale degree (numbers from 1 to 7 corresponding to a note's place in the scale of the current key), through solfa (doh, reh, &c.), and by pitch or pitch-class letter-names (A through G in English, and A through H in German for pitch-class letter-names; various conventions exist for denoting exact pitches, one of which distinguishes them through writing their letter-names in upper or lowercase and appending apostrophes on to them—including A', which would be the octave above the lowest note on the standard modern piano). Guitar music isn't the only kind of music that specifies chords with letter-names, and the way these letter-names are reckoned is according to the letter-name of the note that is the root of the chord—so there's that, too.

    Also, Gross mentioned how A1, A2, &c. are used to denote different sections of music; usually, this is used when two subsections (e.g., A1 and A2) are part of a larger unit of music called A; or when the material of a section returns multiple times but with variations. If a piece of music is tripartite, with the last section being an altered recapitulation of the first section, the form is usually written as A B A', to distinguish A' from A.

    So yeah; fuck you.
     
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