Okayyyyyyyyy ... think I am getting a bit more of the current flavour. Nice to see Jar eventually got elevated to godhood. He's a nice guy, prolly does a decent line in fire and brimstone when it's needed. Interesting comments about DU. I won't tell you what I think of him, since he's an admin. Well, not really a Codex whine, but I do have some goods. The MMO hating crowd might not wanna hear it ... not sure. About the time I got banned from Codex, just before in fact, I also got banned from Duck and Cover. Clearly, the admin line will be different, and possibly many users too, but my view is got banned because I expected too much from their sites. A lot of them put themselves forward as fonts of intelligent criticism on CRPGs, when they were mainly fonts of random bile-mongering; they'd rather misrepresent a case than acknowledge even a small positive from the things they hated. I tried to be more open-minded but it often left me at odds and eventually one argument went too far and I got banned. One of their most narrow-minded peons was Rosh. Back then he was buddy-buddy with the admins and they let him get away with spewing hate and crap wherever he went. One argument I had with him, first on DaC and then on Codex, was about how much money WoW would make. His position: the MMO market was crowded, a lot of titles were going under, WoW would have trouble squeezing into the market and might flop. He particularly objected to the notion (introduced by someone else, not me) that WoW would be "a license to print money". My position: Blizzard had a track record that would give them a good chance at being a big title, and with the increase in internet usage the MMO market could expand rather than having to keep slicing up the same number of players. Seeing how badly Rosh was wrong gives me a nice warm feeling of self-righteousness inside. I know it's petty, but the people on those websites really spew some crap at times and they did after all ban me. Plus I have an all-knowing ass to feed.