Fuck you, U.K. Kennel Club

Whooop. Thanks for correcting me without being a dick about it, Muro. I appreciate it.

What gets me is that they fully advocate mother-son, father-daughter mating. You did that here, you'd be arrested, and rightly so. Goddamn selfish evil pedigree breeders...

 

Muro, most of the time (here atleast) I see puppies being sold that are less than 3 weeks old for ~$900... Do they -really- cost that much in less than a month? A simple reimbursement for the actual cost I can understand, but making extra money just because they're 'pure bred' is pretty low. If money was all they cared about I'm sure they'd just have the mother aborted one way or another.

Besides, if someone is selling a pet (for whatever reason) and feels the need to make a buck off of it then they're already viewing the animal as a materialistic trophy and not a companion.

Xiao, I can get actual proper pictures later if you want. Right now, his fringe is stabbing him in the eye and he's been pretty pissy about it (the dog, not the boot).

 

Muro touched on an interesting factor when he mentioned wolf ancestry: Purebreed dogs aren't purebred at all. Household dogs are Mankind's earliest example of genetic engineering. These animals weren't (for the most part) made to be cuddled and loved and adored. They were made to suit particular jobs. Never were they intended to be your companion. If they hadn't served a purpose, we would not have gone through the trouble of selectively breeding them. While I agree that the constant inbreeding is cruel, the discussion on humanity's view on dogs as material possessions opens up one very important channel:

You guys had better be fucking Vegetarians.

The average hamburger was as intelligent as the average puppy. Pigs are often kept as pets, and seem to fill the 'companionship' role just as good as a dog. Let's not forget our habit of mass executing the Rodent family. Interesting, considering I personally have a Hamster who appreciates the nice vegetables I give him. Why do we keep cats, dogs, hamsters, and the like around?

Because they're adorable. People like cute, fuzzy animals. Oftentimes at a level more than they like people. In our films, we can watch human beings die by the busload in graphic ways, but whenever a dog dies, it's an outrage. How come when a reptile dies, such a reaction isn't elicited? Did Steve Irwin's victims somehow become evil when they evolved with scales instead of fur? Why are hyenas and jackals such hated beasts? They're really just untamed dogs.

The fact is, that in the perception of the Human Being, animals are property. In China, they eat our favorite types of pet. Before you get upset about that, remember that Indians consider Cattle to be holy. Unless you are willing to cut out all industries and lifestyle choices that put people over animal, cursing dog breeders for selling a product, simply because you feel that their product should not be objectified, bears a large level of hypocrisy. After all, they're no different than a pig farmer.

 

What he said. The basic problem in my mind is our general attitude towards animals. Eating them, enslaving them, using them as decoration or friends (that you bought), it's all the same to me. You are using them as you see fit. Of course, meat factories are a bit more disgusting than buying a dog, but they are both aspects of the same thing.

BTW, I am a vegetarian, and I do find buying your friends to be a little bit disgusting.

 

Ah, but my dog is not my friend. He's my pet. He is a possession that I must house, feed, and provide medical care for, and in return I receive affection and companionship. Of course, I also happen to think of my children in much the same light. They belong to me, therefore I have the responsibility to care for them, as well as train them to be decent human beings. That possession is tempered by my love for them, but it doesn't change the fact that they are mine.


Great. Now I don't know which side I'm arguing.

 

Argue for the fact that you can love and animal, but that doesn't make it wrong to eat meat.

Personally, I think all vegetarians are pretty stupid, but hey, who gives a damn really. As long as they don't try to stop my meat eating I'm happy.

 

Not to mention, the lack of proper protein intake will slowly eliminate them via natural selection from our gene pool anyways, so it's all good.

 

Beans.

Vegans are another matter, they need to take calcium pills to compensate.

Sorry for OT.

rosenshyne: I've met people whose parents viewed them as their possessions, and I don't envy them. Of course you have said responsibilities, but your children does not owe you anything apart from what you give them. Think I.

 

Animals don't have souls, not even the adorable little puppies. That's why it's totally okay to chop them up into little pieces, burn their flesh and eat them.

 

Yeah, they're kind of like Jews that way.

 

Same thing with unbaptized babies, right?

 

No, they have a chance at redemption.

 

Your making this way too easy.

Settle down there Yoda.

And on different news they are cumming out with the Twilight porn I was waiting for and we have options. Twilight of Virginity or This Isn't Twilight: The XXX Parody. I wait with baited breath and sweaty palms.

 

Huh? I was just making it clear that it was my personal opinion, not motivated by divine mandate or anything.

 

He's saying you reversed the order of the subject and the verb like Master Yoda.

 

Hey Tard, I bet you don't have kids. In which case all opinions you have about children are fucking invalid, you wank.

 

Of course not, I already agreed that the cost of purebreed mutants are insane.

As much as I despise being a hypocrite, I guess my humanity causes a flaw in my behavior and my logic in this situation. Indeed, humans consider furry animals as cute, and we are genetically programmed to love and protect everything we consider adorable (an evolutionary machanism forcing us to pay attention to our own offspring). In the "I am legend" movie (the book was bether anyway) I didn't care about the whole human race, but when the dog was injured, infected and killed out of mercy, I nearly fucking cried. Or maybe not even "nearly", I don't remember, but you get the point. And then again, I have no problem eating chicken. Mmm. Chicken. Anyway, it only shows how imperfect the human being and his perception of the world is.

Iron. I wonder why iron is never mentioned when it comes to vegetarians. The low ammount of iron in a vegetarian's diet is quite happy to introduce them anemia. If the vegetarian is a woman and therefore has to pay it's monthly blood debt to nature, she has an even greater problem with anemia. There are of course pills, but those often cause gastric problems. Talk about screwed.

I personally understand vegetarians. If it would be only idealogy I could go vege, but frankly I like meat too much, as well and the health of my body to give a damn.

That's a good one.

 

I love animals. Not all of them - some of them, especially creepie-crawlies, give me the shits - but I love the vast majority of them. Cats, dogs, cows, horses, rabbits, cockatoos, you name it, chances are I'd cuddle it.

On the other hand, I'm not a vegetarian. For two reasons. Reason the first: vegetarian food is just plain gross. My mum is a borderline vegetarian and my sister is vegetarian, so I've had plenty of chances to be proven wrong, but nobody has managed it yet.

Reason the second: If I give up red meat, I will DIE. Not an exaggeration. I have anemia problems and asthma problems, so I my doctor has ordered me to have red meat at least four times a week, and on top of that I take iron tablets about half the time as well.

Does this make me a hypocrite? Probably. But mygoddamn survival has to come first. It doesn't stop me from thinking it's wrong to treat animals in cruel and inhumane ways. And as it happens, they don't eat dogs in the U.K. (unless there's something they're not telling us), so treating them they way they do is inexcusable by the strictures of the culture I was brought up in and still live in.

 

Upon the viewing of a documentary on the strictures of your culture I would assume anything goes.