I thought I'd go with the most sensationalist thread topic I could to kick off this discussion. There's a breaking scandal in the UK that a convicted child rapist was paid £10k as a police informant into an "asian" child grooming gang. I guess this is a fairly interesting story, on the one hand no one wants to see a paedo being paid essentially because he's a paedo, on the other hand if you want an informant in a case like this (who has a chance of allowing the case to cracked sooner thereby curtailing more child sex offences) who else would you pay but a paedo? However, the informant angle of this story isn't particularly what I was interested in addressing. What I'm curious about is do you feel like the men behind this ring, and other men who operated similar rings (1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 other examples), should be labelled as muslim when they are muslim? Do you think it is beneficial to do so? For whatever reason the press in the UK, even when doing their most damning exposé on the whole ring, seem to take great pains to not bring their religion into their articles. The ironic thing is, as the men have different nationalities in the other examples I've listed (often Pakistani, but at least one of them above is entirely Somalian - which is why is seems even more disingenuous to call them "asian") really the only common tie is that they're all muslim. At some point it's quite clear that there's a readily apparent pattern where men of a certain religion are committing a niche organised crime consistently and reproducibly, and it's an angle that the press are ignoring. It's here where I'll throw in the all important disclaimer that the vast majority of the muslim population are decent dudes and the female equivalent of dudes, and that every creed, race and nationality in my eyes is blessed with equal propensity towards becoming a wanker (apart from the French), and it's a small proportion of bad apples (the child-rapey and suicidey-bomby ones) that give the other muslims a bad name. It's why I called the thread "Dirty muslim paedos" and not "Dirty paedo muslims", the latter implying all muslims should be tarred with the same brush. I've been checking out the UK politics sub-reddit and what is weird on there is the main focus isn't on the rights-and-wrongs of paying that informant (which I assumed before going on there that's what all the talk would be about), it's more about the muslims being at it again (with more racist people, alarmingly quite up-voted in some instances, saying we should kick all muslims out of the country, etc.). It's that level of anger directed at the press and the government, for their unwillingness to just call an orange an orange, that to me seems to be making people more divided on the issue rather than less (reddit is assuredly a white man bubble, but even so that bubble is not happy) - which is why I'm wondering if it wouldn't just be better to acknowledge that they're muslim. For some extra background, someone on the same sub-reddit posted a rather disturbing video of audience response to someone claiming these gangs are predominantly muslim on a televised BBC Three debate (essentially, young hip BBC) - here's the video. I guess the bottomline is that there is a cultural divide here (one of the guys in the latest ring was reported to have said, "All white women are good for one thing, for men like me to fuck and use as trash, that is all women like you are worth"), do you think its useful to apportion that cultural divide to these people's religion? I guess you could argue that there's no real causality between their religion and cultural outlook, and so to draw that link is dangerous. It's not hard to find extremely toe-curling news about some groups of people in these countries that makes them seem like animals by western standards. Again I'm not trying to broad brush whole countries' populations and say they're are all the same, but there's certainly at least some pockets of people in these countries (the kind that can go on to form these child sex rings) that are culturally abhorrent. I'm really not sure what to make of any of this, so I thought I would put it to the straight-talking TA forums for an opinion. Probably police directives on this are acknowledging and targeting these muslim sub-groups and knowingly referring to them as muslim, but I'm not sure how healthy it is for the rest of society that people are screamed at for saying these groups are muslim and media doesn't seem to want to mention it either for risk of being branded islamophobic. All the british public seems to do recently is become more and more divided. As a final note, I would like to apologise for the slightly racist tone of the topic title. It was unfair of me to assume muslim paedophiles would have a poor level of personal hygiene by calling them dirty, when in all likelihood they have an average-to-good standard of personal hygiene. In fact, they may even be squeaky clean compared to you average slovenly white paedophile. For this, I am sorry.