Could humans live longer?

Let's pretend you had a son, and he went out and did drungs, drank, and commited adultry. Easy to forgive? Well, what if he then came home, insulted and beat you, and threw you out into the streets. Just as easy to forgive? There is a limit. Do you think that God should give you a lifetime and a half to decide to give some thanks for him making you a human, and not some skunk that got hit by a semi truck?

 

How do I know that he didn't make me a skunk that got run over in a previous lifetime?

For that matter, how do I know that being "made a human" is the best of all possible options? Maybe being a wombat would have been preferable? Maybe life on another planet, even... why do humans get all the glory? If humans are the best he could do, then he needs to work on those "all-powerful" skills.

Answer me these questions:

1. Does God know everything?
2. Is God all-powerful?
3. Is God all-good
In other words, is God omniscient and omnipotent and completely good? Please, answer these

 

1. Yes
2. Yes
3. Yes

God created humans in "his own image". They were perfect at first, and could live up to 800 years, commonly. However, they became corrupted by sins such as lust and lazyness. Then, God destroyed them all (Except for Noah and his family - who were still God-fearing), and decided not to make the same mistake, so he lowered our life to around 100 or so years. We have become corrupted once again, but not near as fast. However, he will come to judge us once again. Read Revelation.

 

God is all powerful? Can he create something so heavy he can't lift it?

If god is all good, and all powerful, why is there evil in the world? He has the power to get rid of it completely, and if he is all-good, then he should do just that.

If god knows everything, then he knows exactly what decisions I will make at every moment in my life from birth to death. This means: I really have no control and no ability to make decisions - since they are pre-destined. Therefore, how can I be held responsible for bad decisions?

 

Why do we work on robots? To try to make them more human. God didn't want a bunch of "robots" walking around praising him. He wanted people to praise him because they really loved him. Yes, he could get rid of evil, and he will, but it is not time, yet. He is saving time so more people can be saved.

 

Way to avoid the dilemmas of godhood, dude.

So what you're basically saying is god is a huge egomaniac who needs to be praised to feel better about himself and those who don't heap on enough praise are damned for eternity? And that's your definition of all good?

Ouch.

 

Read the Bible. That is all I have to say.

 

That's about as circular as it gets.

Guy 1: I don't believe in the Bible. Prove it to me.
Guy 2: Read the Bible.
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ad nauseum. WTF?

Standard bible-thumper response. "I can't think for myself, so I'll rely on this book to do it for me, even though this book has been horribly misinterpreted and mistranslated for 2000 years."

C'mon. Try a different approach. Try thinking your way through these things. I've read the Bible. It's a wonderful collection of stories, and even a small measure of semi-accurate history. But it doesn't prove anything.

 

Do you really want to risk your soul by waiting?

 

:lol:

Do you really want to waste your life worrying about it?

 

Oh, dear lord...

 

Do you really want to waste your life NOT worrying about it?

 

Hmm... yes. I'm happier that way

I prefer my god to be less hypocritical and less egotistical. Oh, and a little more truthful. Thanks for your time. We now return you to your regularly scheduled programming.

Great input, Milo, by the way...

 

HEY NBROSZ! DOESN'T IT BOTHER YOU THAT YOUR SIG IS OCCUPIES MORE SPACE THAN YOUR ACTUAL POST WHENEVER YOU TYPE? IT'S ANNONYING!


hmm... hope that'll divert the topic.

 

Err.... Not really. I know I need a new sig pic and a new line underneath it, but I just haven't gotten around to it, and it is fine for right now.

 

You could try a smaller sig pic:

 

Err.. no thanks. The pixels on the cheeks and chin twich really bad. Besides, it isn't want I want, anyway.

 

First you have to believe in souls. I'm on Luchaire's side here - the sceptic in me has made the same arguments as him, and quite frankly, I prefer to put throw down my hand on the side of reason rather than unsubstantiated faith. I'm not really sure where I lie on the issue of believing in God and not believing in God, as I seem to swing from one day to the next, and the same on all his supposed "attributes" like being all-knowing, all-powerful and all-good.

I've never read a more stupid comment from someone as religious as you, nbrosz. Adam and Eve were the first, and go thrown out of the Garden of Eden. Far as I'm aware, they didn't live for 800 years. So the "everyone was originally perfect" part of your argument doesn't really stick.

Secondly, are you really so stupid as to believe time has been kept in the same way, and measured in the same way, the world over ever since the beginning of keeping time? 800 years in the Bible does not equal 800 years now - to them, a year could have been a season, a month, whatever. It wasn't 800x365 though. We based the 24-hour day off what the Babylonians did, but they had a different length year to us.

I think you need to get a brain in your head instead of a Bible index.

 

ROFLMAO

That's the funniest thing I've read this week. Thanks, Jar! Way to brighten my weekend!

 

Glad to know I was missed - for the first page anyway.

Most cells are controlled by a simple method of polyadenylation. Adenine is a base nucleotide used in the formation of DNA. It's one of four - cytosine, guanine and tyrosine are the others.

When DNA is made, it has a certain amount of adenine tacked onto the end of it, and each time it replicates, due to the nature of the replication process and the enzymes involved, an adenine nucleotide is removed from both parent strands of DNA and is left out from the daughter strands. Thus each time DNA replicates, it gets shorter by one adenine base pair.

Once all the adenine strands are removed, the DNA loses coherency and falls apart. This is one of the methods for determining how long you want each cell to last.

However, it's not the main cause of ageing, as stem cells appear not to suffer from this. However, they still die.

The telomere is one direction of thought. These are guanine-rich genes that seem to be for the exact purpose of regulating cell life expectancy.

I'm not too sure on what causes cell-death dur to ageing, but it is genetic in nature. Unfortunately, although I understand genetics very well, and it was my second best subject at Uni, I didn't take any metabolic genetic units, so I can't tell you much about this.

I do know though, that no human cell, under any condition, whether it be perfect, or genetically super-perfect, can survive for longer than 120 years. No-one truly knows why, but it is genetic somehow. It's just that noone knows how yet.

Thus, no matter if the person is kept in perfect condition, and prevented from ageing, they would still just drop dead after 120 years.

The only way to avoid this is to radically change the genetic structure of humans, and even the nature of genetic replication. In short, we would not be human if we implemented these changes, and personally, I don't think it's possible to implement these changes since it is the basis for all known life on this planet, and altering it would be impossible for at least the next 1000 years based on the current growth of our technological and biological understanding.

The only way it's going to happen, is if someone engineers a new life-form from scratch, and it sure as hell isn't going to be human.