Consoles vs Computers

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  1. M@de in China

    M@de in China New Member

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    Which is better?

    I personally like computers better than consoles because

    1) Their upgradable
    2) Pricewise are cheaper and better quality (there are no $10 royalties like the XBox and PS2)
    3) Multiplayer (although this is changing)
    4) Options galore. You can have a Microsoft Stratigic Commander, a Keyboard, a Wheel/Peddle combo, etc.
    5) More controls, I'd really like to see someone putting over 100 buttons on a controller
    6) More than gaming, you can surf the internet, word process, and work on projects
     
  2. Just A Geek

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    Is it just me, or do we all know where this is going to go?

    clicky
     
  3. Jinxed

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    Chinaboy, you are REALLY weird

    I will address your points one by one accordingly

    1. Is this REALLY a good thing? It's what they use to make us pay more. You buy the best package on the market and after a year, it looses 3/4 of it's value and works like utter crap. The price and the quality of a console is a lot more stable.

    2. This is a REAL LOAD OF BRAHIMN CRAP. Cheaper? As long as you buy a tnt system with a 12 inch monitor. What royalties? I have heard of no such thing. Better quality? HAAH. The newest console that comes out is 50% cheaper than the best computer and performs 50% better.

    3. Multiplayer? For goodness sake, LOOK THERE ARE TWO CONTROLLERS! I wonder why the second one, a spare? In case the other gets broken?

    4. Hehehe, you can have a mouse, keyboard and such in consoles. It's not a prob.

    5. What are you talking about? If someone wants more buttons, they buy a keyboard. It depends what you use the computer/console for. The console is used for gaming, not writing. That's why a keyboard is not necessary. I'd really like to see someone putting over 100 buttons on a mouse.

    6. Sure that's true. But the console was never designed to be used for such things. The computer handles it pretty well.
     
  4. Jarinor

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    Here we go again...Jinxed, the rabid console fan vs the rabid computer fan...

    1. Computers may be upgradeable, but they ARE more expensive. You also don't see too many deals going around for computers and bundled games that are a great saving (as well as having games you actually WANT to play). However, more options available for computers...

    2. Unless you have friends who come over a lot (and who aren't driven away by your repetitive kicking of their arse) or a broadband connection and willingness to pay for something like Xbox Live, multiplayer on consoles usually doesn't happen.

    3. Heard of that new game for the Xbox with the massive controller? Costs like US$200 for the game and controller, but man does it have a lot of buttons.

    4. Consoles may be cheaper, but they're also standard. Makes development easier, but you usually have to put up with worse resolutions, details, textures etc. Also, parts are pretty expensive to replace in my opinion. But then, I'm a tight arse :)
     
  5. Milo

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    Consoles vs. Computers in what area? Since consoles can currently play only games and DVDs, it's not really a fair comparison.

    For games, I couldn't say since I haven't owned a console since the Super Nintendo. For video encoding (as well as everything else), I have to say that my PC wins hands down.

    In the future, though, who knows? Considering how a lot of computer users wouldn't mind a combined internet/gaming/entertainment unit, maybe consoles are the future. The computers could stick to image processing, word processing, number crunching type shit. Everyone else can watch their movies, chat, play their games on a single console unit.
     
  6. Jinxed

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    Jar, if someone would give me a choice to choose between a pc and a console, I would take the PC. At least I'm sure I won't get bored of it as fast as I would using only a console. But you must admit, all those statements made by the chinaman are just laughable.
     
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    And then we have the X-Box. It IS a computer, with the same chipsets as a PC. The only thing is, that it has been cut down and is a dedicated games machine, and thus much faster at processing graphics.

    In the future, we'll probably all be using some sort of mixture of PC and console.
     
  8. DarkUnderlord

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    As Jinxed has said, your points are laughable. I will now proceed to laugh at them: AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHA!!

    All depends on what you want. If, for example, you want to play Goldeneye, then you need a Nintendo 64. In which case, the console would be better because, as far as I know, Goldeneye isn't available for the PC. While, when it comes to 3d shooters I prefer the PC's controls (try aiming without a mouse on a console, egads) I do enjoy 3d shooters on the console.

    Moot point. It not only makes them more expensive but is unnecessary. You can spend $2,000 "upgrading" your computer, or you can buy the new latest and greatest console for $500.

    Pricewise, consoles are cheaper. As Jarinor said, you can get some decent packages of games with the console. One advantage also is that games for a console will keep working for a console. Ever upgraded your computer and found that that great game you used to always play doesn't work anymore because of the graphics card/computer's too fast/whatever? Keep a console handy though, and you can always play the games.

    If you want to spend a bucket-load on a decent ISP connection, yeah. Otherwise, get 3 friends around, plug in 4 controllers and away you go.

    Funny, I thought you could buy a keyboard for consoles? If not, then you ca certainly buy different controllers and wheel/paddle combos etc...

    Funny thing is it's because you NEED more controls for a computer. Ever tried typing a document with only 8 buttons? No, didn't think so...

    You can surf the net for some of the consoles now-a-days too. You can't do the others, but then again that's because:
    CONSOLES ARE GAMING MACHINES! NOT WORD PROCESSORS!!

    By your analogy, a typewriter woud be better than a console.
     
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    Ooops, when I meant they're cheaper I mean the games are cheaper. Hitman was only 40 bucks (IIRC) on PC but 50 on PS2 and XBox

    And I'm not saying consoles are bad, but I just like my computer better.

    BTW if you're going to get a computer anyways why not spend a bit more and upgrade the video card and ram for only a few hundred bucks (300 bucks for 512 more ram and a GeForce4 Ti 4200 will NOT become obsolete as fast as most of the console systems)

    And the wide range of prices for computers only adds to it's greatness, having a wide variety of options instead of just GC, XBox, and PS2.

    Sure there are problems sometimes such as there are more bugs and such and compatability issues, but there are also alot more good things such as patches, mods and expansions.

    Ok I guess I can concede that there is a form of multiplay (split screen), but quite frankly I don't believe that really counts since you are both together in the same room and you can see what the other player sees making somethings impossible to acomplish (backstabbing, sneaking up on someone).

    And I'd like to see you guys try and play RTS like Warcraft III and Starcraft on those consoles.
     
  11. Jinxed

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    Are you crazy? What MOST of the console systems? Lets see... We have an Xbox A PS2 and a gamecube.

    Have you any idea how long it took for the ps1 to become absolete? I reckon 4 YEARS.

    The PS2 has been around for a long time now, and I still haven't seen ANYTHING looking as good as some of the ps2 games. Lets not only consider the in game graphics but rendered movies as well. Another thing is that getting a new console doesn't really require a seperate tv. While getting a brand new compture DOES.

    That statement just proves how little you know. Online gameplay has been around in consoles as early as the DC and Phantasy Star Online.
    Besides that, there are a lot of beat them up games that I enjoy. I've experimented for quite a long time with different joysticks and pads for the pc. I must say that every one of those fuckers had some sort of minor or major glitch that just made you go "fuck that shit!". Playing sport games on consoles is MUCH better. Funds are limited and not everyone can afford 2 wingmen or some other high end PC pads that actually *work* well enough. While you could buy a low end console pad for as little as 10$ and it won't make much of a difference...

    Geeze. you are missing the whole point of consoles. It's like trying to shave your face with an axe; it is possible, but the difficulty is so extreme that no one does it. Few have tried and probably regret it. Consoles are designed for fast gameplay. Meaning there are a lot more arcade type games and most rpgs are battle based for more action.
     
  12. Sheriff Fatman

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    Consoles are great. Mine cost £130 vs the £820 for my comp (no vdu on either, of course). It boots quick, games are only slightly more expensive but much less buggy, and the controllers are snazzy. It'll take a comparably long time to become obsolete and the performance for most titles is great.

    My only real problem with them is that almost all the games suck huge bottom.
     
  13. M@de in China

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    I reckon more like 3 since during that last year it's age REALLY began to show when compared to computers

    Uhh 2 years is quite long for technology, but you make it seem more like 10 years


    If you mean a monitor you don't really need a new one, you can just reuse your old one, just like you can reuse your old mouse and keyboard although eventually you'll need to trade up


    Ok, online gameplay has been around, but it has never really taken off. As for your gamepad argument I can say that alot of thos perhiperals are expensive, but to say all of them suck is showing how little YOU know. I have had my Wingman 2 Rumble Pad for about 6 months now and I have never had a problem with it. And it was only 20 bucks, just maybe a few dollars more than a standard PS2 controler.

    Alright, I'll agree to that, but I like to actually think in my games, which is why I choose the PC over the console, I am defending the reason I like PCs I am not a rabid PC freak like somebody else put it.
     
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    alex the kid

    PCs are better as far as versatility goes and i'm pretty sure the average rodent would realise that but then the every day Tuatara (lizard, "the more you know") also knows that PCs tend to crash for reasons such as it's a little hot out and re-runs of MacGyver are about to start.

    The whole, which is better is a very silly thing. I think PCs are better but my friend down the road who likes fast cars and faster woman also likes the simplistic and fast plug and play style, so likes consoles.

    The last console i had was a sega master system. GO that "Alex the kid" gruba.
     
  15. DarkUnderlord

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    Nope. Not when they go and change the plugs on you. :evil:

    Careful there. First you say you can't do it, now you say oops, I meant it sucks. Just because it hasn't taken off doesn't mean you can't do it or that it sucks.

    Now you're finding out the difference. PCs are good for what they do and for the games they have. Consoles are good for what they do and the games they have.

    Actually, you asked us:
    Now you're finding out what we think.
     
  16. M@de in China

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    Alright I made a blunder, I forgot that the orignal segas had onlline multiplayer capabilities

    I did ask you guys, I am defeding why I like PCs over Consoles, but I never said I was a rabid PC freak.
     
  17. Milo

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    It could be argued that the Playstation is not yet obsolete. A PSOne with a battery pack and an LCD screen is a very nice portable system with a HUGE library of games, a lot of them considered classics. Even though it lags behind the next gen consoles, it can be said that rather than being shoved in the closet, it changed it's market.

    Seriously NOTHING? I'm not trying to argue here, I'm being sincere. I'm so out of the console scene that I've never seen or played a next-gen console game. Not even at the store. If what you say is true and the PS2's graphics just blow away in-game graphics like Morrowind or UT2k3 on a top-end system, and the rendered movies are better than say... the movies in Warcraft 3, then maybe I owe it to myself to take another look at consoles. I already missed out on Final Fantasy X because I don't have one. I like Japanese RPGs and all the best ones seem to be on the PS2.
     
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    I agree, Milo. I wish they did make more of those games for the computer, or at least make a program that can convert ps1 & 2 game data into something the computer can understand so you can just hook up a gamepad or a joystick and slap in the ps1/2 game and get going. There is some pretty nice stuff for ps2.

    X-Cube also seems pretty good. Isn't it built off the idea of the Sega?
    I thought that Nintendo build (duh) Nintendo, and went out to build the Super Nintendo, Nintendo 64, and Nintendo Gamecube (which I hear is a big rip-off), while Sony made Sega, and then built a few others in the Sega family, and eventually made the ps1 & 2, continueing to make the X-Box. Am I wrong?
     
  19. Milo

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    There are already PS1 emulators out that do a nice job. Even better than original in some cases, because you have save states and other features like higher resolutions and anti-aliasing. It's free, to boot. It's called ePSXe, google for the link if you're interested. That and a PSX-->USB adapter along with an old dual shock controller and it's the complete playstation experience on your computer.
     
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    Thanks, Milo! You are so ever-resourceful! :grin:
     
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