Cenegenics.

I was indeed implying that an omniscient being should be aware of our sins before we commit them, and indeed not punish us because we are as he made us. There's actually evidence that Moses was high on psychedelic mushrooms when he bestowed upon us the ten commandments. Seeing god, hearing supernatural voices, and making laws to live by for the drugged up masses...good, wholesome family education.

 

Scientifically, a human could live up to 200 years, all we have to do is know how to get there, before succumbing to our own organism.

 

They actually employ people to randomly type on forums now and advertise?

 

It's a bot, it just copies and pastes the first reply.

 

I succumb to my own organism ALL the time. Yeah, baby.

 

Looking for a can of worms here, what are your thoughts on other religions oh lordy Xyle?

Do you mistrust their faith? Would you love thus neighbour as much as thine clearly loves themselves? How do you justify their absolute belief in something other than your God? Don't give me the standard bullshit about how it's all "his" work and yadyada. I would actually like you to think about this one.

I find it extremely arrogant of man to claim importance in the eyes of an omnipresent beardly sky being because we're "his" children. It's crap, surely such a thing has other concerns considering they're responsible for every fucking thing in the fucking universe. It's reminiscent of a spoilt child demanding attention and the worst definition of a fallacy. Yes, religion has served some (limited) purposes in the past, but the time to drink a cup of cement, harden the fuck up and take control of your own life has long since gone. I have mildly more tolerance for various left-hand paths that promote self growth and self-worth, but the blind belief and surrender of your mind to something to which you share no background nor experience is irritating.

Now that I've invariably wasted my time writing that, I'm going to go pick some shrooms from the nearest park, get high, and write my own bloody commandments. Dick.

 

Yeah! And isn't appealing to the Bible arguing fallaciously?

 

I like Jesus, I think he was a swell guy, said a few nice things and met a lot of people. A real people person one might say.

 

And I'd say he was a hit at parties! I heard one of his signature tricks was walking on water out into the middle of a swimming pool, then jumping into the air, turning the water into wine and diving in!

 

Yeah but he could get right preachy after he'd had a few.

 

God can only know what IS. Free will and choice implies that a decision that is yet to be made doesn't exist yet. (I don't believe in pre-destination, btw.) In physics, it is the quantum half-state that has a 50% probability of having a positive or negative spin. It is not known until after an event determines which will occur, before the event the spin is not defined. Before a decision is made, it is also undefined. -- Sorry if I butchered the physics explanation.

A prime example of how God's love can result in negative consequences at the hands of man is in Genesis 4:13-24 when Lamech misinterpreted God's promise to Cain.

If we as humans are only held accountable for our actions, why should God be held accountable for our actions?

God didn't make us sinners. God gave Adam a choice. And when Adam ate of the fruit that Eve gave him, He fell from perfection because of disobedience. It was a human's action that corrupted God's handiwork.

Regardless of the events that shaped our lives, we are still held accountable for our own actions. Therefore you, right now, have a choice: To excuse your wickedness by blaming God or to owe up to your misdeeds and correct your lifestyle.
I have read your posts that indicate that you seek to correct your lifestyle. So why come back to this argument that blames God? God forgives you for your past misdeeds, but only if you are willing to acknowledge that you have done things that require His forgiveness and have asked for that forgiveness. God will not stand for any man's boasting that he got to heaven on his own merits. (Including those that attend church regularly.)

Right, mushrooms in the middle of the Arabian Desert.

 

Psychedelic mushrooms can and do grow on animal manure, so it's not that far fetched.

 

So is it your position that God doesn't know the future? That when he put the Tree of Knowledge in Eden he had no idea whether or not Adam would eat from it?

That's an unusal position for one of You People to take, in my experience.

 

What do you mean by "You People" exactly? I'll have you know I'm a proud African-American and I don't condone racism.

 

I'm not racist. Some of my best friends are stereotypes.

 

Look, I have nothing against God, I just don't understand him or his machinations. I'd prefer to live an honest life, free from detrimental psychological addictions, and generally be a good person.
Oh, and mushrooms can grow anywhere there is an adequate food supply and spores. For all we know, the mushrooms could have been cultivated and used as a visionary aid, so it would be natural that people on a pilgrimage to the promised land had some with them, or at least had spores on their clothing, fell in some animal dung, got up and cursed their clumsiness and then went back to the camp site only to find magical fungus in the very same spot they fell.

 

Ever since I've heard about fungi happily living inside Chernobyl's exploded reactor, I expect them everywhere.

 

(Bad memory? And how do you know, anyway?)

Man, this God guy is getting less powerful by the second! There goes omniscience, and omnipotence! I'm sure Xyle will go on to deny omnibenevolence any time now!

I must've misunderstood you, because it seems that, at first, you're saying that God shouldn't be held accountable for our actions, because only we ourselves are held accountable for them, then you seem to go on to say that we're sinners because of Adam's Original Sin, making us responsible for what he did! It ain't my fault that some guy ate some apple! Am I then born with sin on my newly formed soul? So didn't God make me a sinner, in that case?

Also, isn't appealing to the Bible informally fallacious?