Cat Stevens is on USA terror watch list!

America Gesptro Agent forcefull took the singer Cat Stevens off than plane that was force to land in Maine as Yusuf Islam (Cat Stevens moslum name) was handcuff by our groomlike America Gesptro and question under pain by thurd screw. Will be deported back to England.

America is starting to turn into the laughting stock of the whole world for our anti-Islam bias.

 

I can't understand you comparing the Gestapo to American police. Also, you don't know why Cat Stevens was on a government watch list. A little bit of knowledge is a dangerous thing, Charles.

Also, let me ask you. Where is the public outcry from Muslims that so many terrorists are committing atrocities in the name of their religion?

 

Retard, I think not knowing why Cat Stevens is on the government watch list is even more of a reason to be outraged. "No reason" is a worse excuse than a bad reason.

Charles. I'd like to see a few linksegarding this matter, before I'm going to believe it completely.

 

What's outrageous about it, the fact that he's black, or the fact that you are gay? If you don't know what the fuck is going on, how can you possibly be upset?

 

lol, somehow I doubt that Cat Stevens is a key insider in the government.

The police are not the gestapo dumb ass, it's our illustrious homeland security department that tells them to do this stupid shit.

 

You fools. If they can go around dragging people off planes and not be expected to give us a reason, then we are not free. If they come and drag you off a plane one day, and don't tell anyone why, and confiscate your luggage, do you want instant public approval to be attained simply because you were on "the terror alert list?" That my friends, is the fucking police state in action.

You

Mother

Fucking

Sheep.

Its not a conspiracy theory, its just evidence of a well regulated society.

 

Funny for you to cry sheep, since you're just spouting the left-wing party line yourself.

 

Its not a left wing party line if its fucking true! God dammit. Don't be such a fucking ignorant cunt as to assume that every left-winger is a canned zombie democrat. There is a reason that people have opinions.

Over the summer I roe my bike across the northern American Continent, sleeping in parks, and people's front yards. At the end of my trip I flew to Torrance California, "my hometown", or at least the town I graduated high school in. I stayed in friends houses every night, except one, where my friend Greg and I (greg was visiting from a town out in Orange County) had been out way too late to call someone about a couch to sleep on, so we ecided it would be best to sleep in his VW Bus, next to a park here we had spent a lot of time during High School. We got there around 4am, and at 8 am, a knockand an oink at the window woke us up. The pigs had arrived to regulate our sleeping activity. Apparently all across the rural midwest, its perfectly alright for a total stranger to sleep camp in a park, but ts a Torrance cit law that you're not allowed to sleep in a car on a public street. The Beautiful part is that if we'd been 4 blocks down, in the next town, we'd have been just fine, because Lomita is the ghetto and no one cares. The beautful, beautiful part of all this is that they made us get out of the car, without our wallets, without my glasses, without our shoes, and sit on the curb with our hands visible, so we could answer their stupid fucking pig questions. I'm going to skip all the details, but lets just say the van was fucking ripped apart by their unwaranted search for contraband. They asked what I was doing in CA, if I had a VA driver's license, and I told them about my bike trip and they didn't believe me, so they started asking us really stupid stuff like "so how do two 19 year olds fall this far this quickly? is it drugs? stuff at home? don't you see anything for yourselves other than living on the street?" to which greg and I could only scoff and respond in frustrated, sarcastic unison "We're not homeless, we were sleeping in a van!" They continued to search for drugs etc, and when they found none theylet us go with nothing more than tickets. They tried to explain that this was their job, and they have to make sure they don't get any junkies, murderers, or pedophiles hanging around in their town, and when I asked if we'd been murdering, raping, or shooting drugs when they'd found us, and also asked for an explanation as to why it couldn't be our town as well, or if they were its sole possesors. I recieved no answer, and that is my evidence of the reckless irregularity of police profiling and class warfare through city ordinance. Imagine what would have happened if I was black or something.

The point is, my mind, that we were not criminals, but I'm still guilty of a midemeanor now, because I looked the part when the police found me. I see this as a parallel to the Terror Alert List, because it doesn't target people in the act of commiting a crime, instead it turns you against your neighbor, fellow mbers of the American society that you are a part of, by saying that "these people may be terrorists." If all that has to mean is that they are members of a political group, or are Islamic, then its the same thing as giving me a ticket for sleeping in a van, because sleeping in a van obviously means I was just resting between heinous rape/murders. In both situations people are being punished for crimes they have not yet commited, but because everyone accepts the terror alert list, then no one says anything other than "they got what they were asking for." Cat Stevens has not commited any crime, but for some reason a governement rep. somewhere decided to put him on a list, and now his life has been made more difficult than it once was, because he isn't allowed to fly.

So at least he got what was coming, and let that be a lesson to the rest of you, if you dont think, or believe in an acceptable way for any well respected member of society, then your participation in this society will be limited, and we'll make sure your neighbors are already too afraid of you to come to your defense.

 

It's hardly new that people aren't allowed to sleep in their cars in cities. It's done to discourage vagrancy in communities which think they're above that sort of thing.

It's too early to make a final statement either way on the Cat Stevens thing. He runs an Islamic school, supported the fatwah against Salman Rushdie, and was deported from Israel for allegedly supporting Hamas. The current flap seems to be for his support of certain questionable Islamic charities. I'm more interested about how he got on the plane in the first place.

 

My point is, he was already on the plane, and the bomb never went off, in fact, the bomb never existed.

 

Sleek, you're the biggest fucking bitch I've ever ran across. The fact that you acted like an ass in front of the police surely didn't help your getting a ticket. Also, they're not pigs. You lump all men in a cop's uniform in the same catagory. Weak, pathetic mind.

Also, I know not to expect a straight answer from Charles, but the fact that he's more tore up about them dragging fucking Cat Stevens off a plane than he is that thousands of scumbags are trying to hijack the world using his own religion as a prop bothers me. Boo hoo, Charles. Poor maligned Muslims. "Hey, don't pick on that Muslim! He hasn't done anything! No, no, no. Not that one either! He hasn't tried to get ammonium nitrate for over 10 years now! Fucking Pigs!"

Oh, and by the way, I'm sure there are thousands, nay, millions of peaceful Muslims, and I fully respect their right to worship in their own way, and be left in peace.

 

True, it's as stereotypical to say ALL police are fucking nazi enforcers as it is to say all liberals are anti-american shits, although it might be right in your case. You want people to judge everyone individually? You want the cops to be nice and pleasant to the suspicious person sleeping in a van? Sorry fucko, if you look suspicious and the police didn't tag you, then you'ld be here fucking bitching about how they don't do jack fucking shit about crime.

If the feds think there is a bomb, they have to check. It's a choice between delaying a guy's travel plans for a bomb he could have, to having a hundred or so people die because of a bomb he could have. You fucking make that choice then tell me the cops are these fucking sadists.

You stereotype other people just as much as they stereotype you, so don't even try this fucking hypocritical bullshit.

There is a difference between being detained and being abused. Our security teams have a job to do. No they can't infringe on your rights without a good reason. Thinking you are carrying an explosive onto an airliner is a good enough fucking reason for me. Yea, they might have been wrong, but tell me, how in the good fucking lord's name we're they going to know until they either searched, or the plane exploded. One of those options is a tad bit too late.

You're guilty of a misdemeanor because you broke a fucking law first of all.
Second, the police don't need a warrant to search anything unlocked in a vehicle. They need one to search a locked trunk or a locked glove compartment, but a general area search is legal.
Thirdly, yea, if you were four blocks away you would have been out of their jurisdiction. You weren't. In Canada, medical weed is legal, does that mean I can toke for my glaucoma in Minnesota, it's only a state away?
Dude, four. You're sleeping in a VW van. Excuse the guy for jumping to a pretty fucking obvious conclusion.

Sleek, if the suspected bomber is already on the plane, wouldn't that make the feds all the more anxious to get him the fuck OFF. Try to empathise a little bit, it isn't a fucking sunday morning walk in the god damn park job you spoiled dick. You try being a fucking 'pig' and maybe you'll realize that dealing with stupid shitheads is a daily occurence, and it's not always easy to give them their tickets with a smile and a handshake.

I'm not saying we don't have problems, we do. But dear fucking god man, chill the fuck out. If you hate how our country is run, if you despise being a 'fucking sheep' so god damn much, move somewhere else. Move anywhere else. See how much more freedom you have. We are run by a government, and while this might disabuse you of a few fairy tales you seem to be living in, it is the most free society in the world. All this bullshit happens even more in other countries. We might need work, but at least for now we're the best there is.

 

Wrong, they were ass holes and we had our tickets before they'd even questioned us. I call them pigs because they weren't there to protect anything, they were obviously there to meet their quota, and in my opinion, thats why they ransacked the car the way they did. I refer to them as pigs because they met the stereotype. We didn't even consider sarcasm until we had our tickets in our hands. So fuck those guys.

I've met a few cops that weren't ass holes, but then again, I've also had a shotgun pulled on me in my car, by a uniformed police officer no less, because I turned down the wrong driveway in a fairfax business district (populated by plenty of military contractors). I don't lump all men in uniform into the same category, there are plenty of categories, the Cops, the Marines, the Navy, the Army, the Air Force, etc etc. Please remember that I've spent plenty f time among them, and (almost) as one of them. During my time in a position of mock authority in ROTC, I fully experienced the ass holic authoritarian ego boost, and attitude of official responsibility and condescension, and I learned what kind of person is drawn to such a position. I know that not all cops fit their stereotype, but I did learn that once in uniform, its extremely easy to become one.

Sure, you'd argue that anyone who tries to aquire explosives legally, and is muslim, needs to be alert-listed, but would you ever consider better regulation of guns? Would you ever consider making it harder to aquire guns or explosives, or other such objects of destruction? If the answer is no, then shut up, because Cat Stevens didn't even do that. What if he'd been involved in support of the Michigan Militia, or the NRA? Or some more millitant group I've never heard of because I don't really know about those kinds of groups?

I think its pretty ridiculous to criticize my opinion of the character of two policemen you've never met.

<edit> Blinky, I'm guilty of sleeping in a van. If thats a crime, then I'm proud to be a criminal.

I'd like to emphasize that my point is if there were better regulation of the objects that cause the destruction, as opposed to the broad range of people that may or may not be plotting to cause it, THEN we'd live in a safer society.

<edit> <edit> Thanks for calling me a spoiled little dick. Now I know that you don't take me seriously, and I'll try to return that favor from now on.

I like that you claim that we're the only bastion of freedom in this world. I'd love to get some feedback from some of the Non-US-citizens in this forum on that comment. Australia? Sweden? Can I get a comment please?

I know we live in just about the "free-est" society available these days, but LIKE I SAID, I don't care about dragging actual bombers off of planes, but the thing I'm outraged at is the fact that he DIDN'T have a bomb or weapon on his person, and therefore probably intended to do nothing other than to make a financial transaction with the plane company, in order to recieve passage to whatever the destination of the plane. Thats my point, Cat and I weren't guilty of anything other than appearing suspiscious.

<edit> <edit> <edit> ... and once the authorities had determined that we were not planning anything, we were both punished, regardless of the fact that we had done NOTHING WRONG.

Fuck you all, I pledge that I will not sleep, until sleeping is not a crime.

 

I think they could tear up the Terrorist Watch Lisit it have inaccurate infro.
I actural insult the Gespto by compareing then to the idiot running Homeland Security. First the Gespto was than law enforcement Agency bound by strict rules. First it they mistreated than inorent person that agent was in big touble, they have to assume the person they arrested might be inorent.

None of the charithy listed as being support by him is giveing money to terrorist groups. Israeli was behind this as than nation of racist that are racist toward Islam.

 

Speaking of "better regulation of guns" (what bullshit is that?), the fucking assault weapons ban expired this month. Kickass. The ten-year sunset clause on that ban was the best thing those ignorant hippie bitches who wrote the bill ever did. It was a fucking ten year experiment that failed. Did crime drop in those ten years? No. Were assault weapons used more before or after? Neither, because almost nobody uses them for violent crimes.
Anyway, I'm going to buy an Uzi as soon as I have an extra $800 to spend and a source. I'd rather have an H&K UMP45, but those things are fucking expensive as hell.

Oh, and Blinky...good shit. Keep it coming.

 

Ignorant Fuck

Just wait until we finally take your handguns away.

 

Why, Sleek? What is that going to solve? Should we take away box cutters too? They were used to hijack planes, so why not outlaw them? Why not outlaw any sharp edged tool? That's not going to stop crime, Sleek. You talk harshly about a police state in effect, yet then you say, "Wait till we take away your guns." Hypocrite? I think so.

You don't know why Stevens was pulled off the plane. You think you're smarter than all the pigs. The word "preventive" means nothing to you, does it? In your world, the pigs would be given brooms instead of guns and power, brooms to sweep up exploded planes after a terrorist had his way, rather than try to stop anything bad from happening in the first place. You do not know that Stevens did nothing wrong.

Riiiiiight. Because we all know that would be terrorists go through all the proper channels to acquire possible weapons. Regulating guns or any other weapon is not going to stop them from getting them, Sleek. You think a Hamas Islamic fanatic intent on hijacking a plane that you are riding on is going to go to a law-abiding gun store, and put his name in to purchase a weapon, and wait the required 72 hours? Bullshit, Sleek. That's all you're spouting, bullshit.

You make as much sense as Charles.

 

That's always been the point of the anti-gun control argument: if you outlaw guns, it will only prevent law-abiding citizens from obtaining them. It's painfully obvious, and those who refuse to accept the logic are just operating on feelings and emotions rather than reason and facts. But that is the liberal way, isn't it?

 

Anyway, back to another point I was struggling to make in my outraged hysteria; I don't know why they dragged cat stevens off of the plane, but thats why it fucking scares the shit out of me, because no one does, outside the federal government.

Yeah, I know you guys are right about the weapons issue, but I don't believe in living in a subjugated state where everyone is allowed to own as many machine guns as they want, but if they're islamic, or have act on any strong convictions they have, then they're not allowed to fly on air planes.

Once again Cat Stevens didn't have a weapon, and didn't have a bomb.

http://www2.cnn.com/2004/US/09/21/plane.diverted.ap/

Boy they sure taught him a lesson though!

Why don't we focus less on the hypothetical "if I had my way and the world was run by elves, and cars were powered by hemp leaves, and joy..." and more on the fact that this situation makes no sense. A man that has commited no actual crime against the united states has been denied access to the country based on his religion. To me that is not freedom, thats suppresion. The thing that irks me the most is that I haven't heard about any of this outside of the internet yet.

So fuck it, I see authorotarianism. I don't see a reason to stop a plane and drag someone off, and send him back to his country.