Any masochists around here?

I have just watched from Blade 2. Well it is uke: . The problem is that I already knew it would be awful; but I went to the movie (alone) anyway. It’s just like the first part, only a bit worse. Does anybody else have the same tendency to watch total crap just because… well I have no idea why I went to see that crap.
Usually when a fantasy movie comes I have to see it, even knowing it will be a nightmare. Am I the only one?

 

I thought Blade 2 was pretty good.

 

I was just about to rent Blade 2! Thanks, Dennis Moore. I'll get something else instead.

I guess I am a masochist, because I didn't even like Blade 1. I also watched Wing Commander even though I just knew it would be horrible. I not only watched, but enjoyed Starship Troopers, and I watch it everytime it's on TV.

 

Blade II was good, as long as you're not looking for plot. It's action strung together, which is good to watch on occasion.
Any case, I go to lots of movies that I know will suck...sometimes I see a preview and I'm like, that movie's going to be horrible, I'll go see it..

 

What are you talking about? I am very late so I'll be brief: Starship Troopers is a fantastic movie. It's probably the best war movie I ever saw; full of criticism and social analisys. More on that later, gotta go.

 

Starship Troopers can be surprisingly deep at times. I guess it's an action B-movie, but I do enjoy watching it.

As long as you don't go into movies expecting it to be something it's not, then there's no reason not to enjoy it (provided you like the genre of course). If I watch an action movie, I don't care too much about the plot or anything like that. I watch for the action scenes, cool moves, *heroic* gestures/stunts and things like that. Which is what I expect Blade 2 to be when I see it - cool action scenes, a 'plot' to tie them all together, and not much else.

 

Starship Troopers as social commentary? Ok hit me over the head with the fascist thing but never make it clear that it is a bad thing. C'mon after being whipped by a man in leather he turns his life around to fight for the fatherland, service equals citizenship. Oh I thought it was a fun movie, I also enjoyed Blade II.
However, with the kids I get a lot less time to go to movies so I get really pissed when they suck. I went to Insomnia by Cris Nolan same guy who did Memento and Following. Or so I thought he only directed Insomnia, he did not write it. It was, how shall I say...fucking boring.

 

Starship troopers is retro. It has a "60's" feel, especially when they are showing flicks of the experiments sort of a 60's "duck and cover".

The best movie: The Thing by John Carpenter
The worst movie: The Full Monty
Why the worst? Well I was stoned in the cinema and COULDN'T UNDERSTAND A BLOODY THING THOSE BRITS WERE MUMBLING!!!

 

As I said about Star Wars, I'm not one to question too deeply, but Starship Troopers was intrusively contrived and implausible. Just to show more machine-gun-bullet-pumping action, they armed every soldier with a machine gun and a coupla grenades, against a foe that was (a) extremely numerous (b) fairly resistent to being killed with bullets.

That scene in the fort, where the creatures are massed at the walls and the soldiers are ineffectually pumping thousands of rounds down into them made me wanted to leave the cinema. A couple of high explosives, rockets or whatever would have killed the whole lot of them. I just got the feeling that the director couldn't get enough of aliens-hit-by-many-bullets type scenes.

There may have been intended social commentary through parody of the militaristic social structure/propoganda machine, but I think it was completely lost on the audience, who seemed to view it as a righteous glorification of war. I'm not even sure it wasn't just a glorification of war so ridiculous that intelligent people assumed it had to be a parody.

I liked Blade 2, though. It was just a well-built action movie. Then again, I enjoyed Blade 1.

The guy who played the reaper carrier (Jared) was orginally a member of a boy-trio that swept the UK in the late 80's. His name is Luke Goss and the embarrassingly bad band was called Bros

 

Blade, Blade II, Starship Troopers, all good movies, if you want action. If you want a plot to go with them, turn them into books (except for Starship Troopers, there already is a book for it which is in no way funny or action packed).

 

I thought Starship Troopers started out as a comic.

 

Some comments:
On Starship Troopers:
As Jinxed noticed it’s strongly based in old war movies and propaganda, but I don’t think it’s retro, on contraire it’s very actual (it was made during the Golf War). The reason that many people were a bit confused is that this movie doesn’t treat its audience like brain-dead things like 99% of Hollywood movies. Yes it doesn’t write in big red letters “War is bad, m’k�, if the message was that clear the film would loose its point.
The film begins with a propaganda and a documentary of how the war began: with the treacherous attack by the bugs; then a very short war scene, inspired in the staged allies’ disembark of Normandy. One year before… We see not only the earlier life of the characters but also some facts before the attack. One bug colony was invaded by Earth, bugs were used as guinea pigs, news programs made them as, well, bugs. The war had in practice started before the attack, all history had been erased. Throughout the movie we see a mix of Internet and TV, freedom of speech? Nope, just an illusion; all paths lead to the same message. The metaphor of the enemy as a bug is an obvious metaphor.
We see how this kind of worldview is created, how it affects the characters. They believe the News, and some aspects of their lives (war, pain, military life) support this view. The movie tries to understand this view and to force the audience to see furtherer than the characters. There would be no point if it simply said “just believe what we tell you�.
Another problem is that the target isn’t only the bad Nazis, it’s also US (among other war loving countries). When we see an Arab in Hollywood, there is no question: “he is evil�. All the time we see historical events erased and re-written to justify some actions. The worship of marines (always the good guys), the cult of weapons etc the final product of these is the society of Starship Troopers. How many times have we heard that citizenship must be earned (remember the discussions about immigrants); how many times other people are described as ‘bugs’. These propagandistic war movies are now back with full strength, Starship Troopers is more actual than when it was made.
Ah, before I forget: it’s inspired in Heimlein book

About Blade1:

Hey I like to see action flicks sometimes. As I am writing I just remembered that I loved The Cube and Pitch Black. But what action is in Blade? In the first scene he kills 300 vamps without effort. The rest of the movie is just “oh, what next?� I also can't stomach another goddamned scene where the hero is beaten to pulp then raises shinning new to kill the bad guy.

 

I never knew..... onder: So it wasn't just :hump:

This cracked me up , Tiger Woods v. Phil Mickelson. No offense D_M your english is better than my Brazilian.

 

Sorry. Was the rest intelligible, or couldn’t you read it? Before this forum it had been more than 10 years since I wrote anything in English, I would like to know if people can understand me. No offense taken, I welcome nits and corrections.
Brazilian, eh. Well, better than Spanish. :wink:

By the way:

Damn! I loved Memento, it's sad to know his other film isn't as good.

 

Don't worry, your English is excellent. It puts alot of native English speakers to shame.

I loved Memento, too! The ending when...
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You find out that he purposely set himself up to kill Teddy because of how Teddy was using him... wow. I love movies like this that aren't pretentious with their artsy-ness. They're just compelling films that are made well and told well.

 

Fair enough, Dennis. That seems like a decent reading of Starship Troopers. However, the people most likely to get that reading from watching the film are thoughtful, intelligent people who may well have decided already that war isn't good. Other people, who glory in war and violence and are about as likely to look for subtext as they are to watch a film made outside Hollywood, probably just saw a load of gung ho soldiers being heroes by shooting the ugly bugs. Sometimes writing a message in big letters is worthwhile, if you're serious about communicating it to people who have trouble seeing small things.

I don't think the director could have squeezed any more noisy machine gun fire into that movie with two vices, a clamp and a big squeezing device set on maximum squeeze being wielded by the world squeezing champion in his prime.

Your English is great.

 

D_M hope you took the ribbing as it was intended. Its just that golf war had me in stiches. I instantly picture guys in paisely sweters and ugly pants stalking each other with golf clubs
announcer in a breathy wishper "Well Garcia has chosen a sand wedge and is silently approaching Woods from the rough on the tenth hole. Oh my he hit that one perfectly, Wood's kneecap is fully detached and he is down on the ground in pain. An excellent shot and Garcia is now only one stroke back from the lead."

voce nao fala espanol?

Memento was excellent. If you have not already see Following His first film. It was done on a frayed shoestring budget but you don't even notice. I think he did Following in school. Bow before the Nolan.
I am also going to give the thumbs up with a wink to The Bourne Identity. Same chick that was in Run Lola Run and The Princess and the Warrior.

 

Oops, nope I didn’t. I had no clue of who were those guys; I thought it was something about the way they talked… sorry.

:lol: My Spanish is awful. I have made the mistake of trying to learn Spanish and French at the same. In the end I spoke Spanish in my French class and French in my Spanish class, it was a nightmare.
For those who didn’t get ThreeDogs’ joke: most people think that in Brazil we speak Spanish; we don’t, we speak Portuguese. This mistake along with the assumption that Brazil’s capital is Buenos Aires pisses us off. So he asked me in Portuguese: “don’t you speak Spanish?� (little tip: it’s not “espanol�, it’s “espanhol�). Jeez it’s silly to explain a joke, but…

Maybe, but not always. For me the message is more powerful this way. How many movies that simply stated “murder is bad, m’k and war is bad, m’k� have we seem? I have lost count and I don’t remember any of them. Starship Troopers is in my heart to this day.

 

I watch Starship Troopers for the action, and some of the laughs with the news scenes. That's it. If it happens to glorify war, or send me subliminal anti-war messages in the process, then that's okay. Why? Because I never see, much less understand, metaphors other than those I write myself.

 

Starship troopers was great for a laugh - especially the anatomy scene - obviously they've never seen the inside of an arthropod! And the 'bugs' were a joke too - I've never seen an 'arachnid' that has four legs! Plus, it's biologically impossible to get Athropods of that size without the metabolism, internal organs and repiratory critically failing!

WooHoo, funny as hell! (did I lose the point of the film? 0 )