"Americans' porn tolerance may rival that of Europeans'

Sleek_Jeek · Apr 7, 2004

http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/bal-te.obscenity06apr06,0,3004361.story?coll=bal-home-headlines

Our current administration needs to give it a rest... First our bongs, now our porn...

In a speech in 2002, Ashcroft made it clear that the Justice Department intends to try. He said pornography "invades our homes persistently though the mail, phone, VCR, cable TV and the Internet," and has "strewn its victims from coast to coast."

Given the millions of dollars Americans are spending each month on adult cable television, Internet sites and magazines and videos, many may see themselves not as victims but as consumers, with an expectation of rights, choices and privacy.

Ashcroft, a religious man who does not drink alcohol or caffeine, smoke, gamble or dance, and has fought unrelenting criticism that he has trod roughshod on civil liberties in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, is taking on the porn industry at a time when many experts say Americans are wary about government intrusion into their lives.

The Bush administration is eager to shore up its conservative base with this issue. Ashcroft held private meetings with conservative groups a year and a half ago to assure them that anti-porn efforts are a priority.
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I thought we killed all those native Americans so we could escape from forced religion, and dictated morality? Not that I enjoy watching "imulated gang rapes" and haven't really witnessed any, but if thats what floats your boat why should that bother me? I paid about 400 dollars in taxes this year, I'm glad to know this is what its going towards.

The thing I think is so ridiculous about this situation is that this type of thing people SEEK OUT, I have never had porn forced on me EVER. You have to request things like the Spice Channel, or the Playboy Channel, when you sign up for cable television. Ashcroft makes it sound like telemarketers call you up and play recordings of midgets and goats and supermodels all climaxing at the same time. Of course, they'd only play hese heinous audio recordings after they had asked to speak with the youngest child in the house.

This article does a pretty good job remaining ambiguous, ey mention that a few people might feel that this isn't what they expected...

"I think a lot of adults would say this is not what they had in mind, spending millions of dollars and the time of the courts and FBI agents and postal inspectors and prosecutors investigating what consenting adults are doing and watching."

A compelling statement, but...

The strategy in the 1980s resulted in a lot of extreme pornography - dealing in urination, violence or bestiality - going underground. Today, with the Internet, international producers and a substantial market, industry officials say there is no underground.

Obscenity cases came to a standstill under Janet Reno, President Bill Clinton's attorney general, who focused on child pornography, which is considered child abuse and comes under different criminal statutes. The ensuing years saw an explosion of porn, so much so that critics say that Americans' tolerance for sexually explicit material rivals that of Europeans.
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Dear god! Not Europeans!!! We're becoming Europeans!! My god... We're being compared to Europeans... With their despicable communist currency, the Spanish's questionable history of famous anarchists, the Swiss and their criminal fostering anonymous banking systems, remember Nazi Germany? and of course the most despicable, the French, THEY FAILED TO SUPPORT US IN OUR BATTLE AGAINST SADDAM HUSSEIN!!! BECAUSE IT WOULD INTERFERE WITH THEIR ECONOMY!!! Is this what we're coming to? Is this what we're becoming? Soon America itself will be overrun with economic criminals(http://www.enron.com), and Nazis (http://www.traditionalvalues.org/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=679), and possibly even Government officials that base their decisions regarding military and foreign policy solely on the economic interests of their nation! (surely no link is needed)

Either way, Nguyen, father of a 2-year-old girl, and his co-workers spend their days scouring the Internet for the most obscene material, following leads sent in by citizens and tracking pornographers operating under different names. The job wears on them all, day after day, so much so that the obscenity division has recently set up in-house counseling for them to talk about what they're seeing and how it is affecting them.

"This stuff isn't the easiest to deal with," Nguyen said recently while at his computer. "But I think we're going after the bad guys and we're making a difference, and that's what makes it worthwhile."
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March on Christian soldier.

mrnobodie · Apr 7, 2004

You know after reading that the only thing that went through my mind was..... "there's an obscenity division?'..... I wonder just what their criteria is for labaling something "obscene" and there-fore illegal, which one can only assume is the purpose for said division.

Dark Elf · Apr 7, 2004

If a majority of the population is enjoying it, they'll sure as hell label it obscene.

Honestly, I'm against porn where the people involved are being forced into it... that's illegal, and rightly should be. But if everyone involved is doing it by their own free will... what harm has been done?

Sleek_Jeek · Apr 7, 2004

Well obviously people being forced is rape, what they meant by "simulated gang rape" is that people stage it, so it looks like a gang rape which disgusts me, but hey, its just acting, I don't have to watch it either.

rosenshyne · Apr 8, 2004

i'm amazed you don't want to join the obscenity division, nobodie...

Jarinor · Apr 8, 2004

I take the position of "What you do, in your own time..." unless of course, it involves children. Then I wish every method of torture known in the world upon you.

Blinky969 · Apr 8, 2004

Yea I pay good fucking money for porn, that wrinkly little conservative dildo with an attitude should stay out of my business! He wants to label anything he doesn't like as obscene? He doesn't drink coffee, what is he going to hold protests in front of fucking Starbucks?

DarkUnderlord · Apr 8, 2004

Re: "Americans' porn tolerance may rival that of Europe

Christian Soldier said:

Either way, Nguyen, father of a 2-year-old girl, and his co-workers spend their days scouring the Internet for the most obscene material, following leads sent in by citizens and tracking pornographers operating under different names. The job wears on them all, day after day, so much so that the obscenity division has recently set up in-house counseling for them to talk about what they're seeing and how it is affecting them.

"This stuff isn't the easiest to deal with," Nguyen said recently while at his computer. "But I think we're going after the bad guys and we're making a difference, and that's what makes it worthwhile."
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Now THAT would be a fun job.

Jarinor · Apr 8, 2004

Hahaha, as if you'd pay for porn these days. I mean, not that I look at porn or anything. I mean, I might, and if I did (and this is only an if) then I wouldn't be paying for it.

Aries Shion · Apr 8, 2004

What is so bad with watching porn?

Sleek_Jeek · Apr 8, 2004

Aries Shion said:

What is so bad with watching porn?
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Its a sin against god. :realmad:

Twilight'sHammer · Apr 8, 2004

Sleek, aren't you atheist? I'm waiting for John Ashcroft to be kicked out of office... when do we get to do that? anyone know?

Icairus · Apr 9, 2004

What do you mean, in office?
He is a cabinet member, unelected, although Congress must say that it is OK for Bush to appoint him.

Quethim · Apr 9, 2004

I'm sure this all have to do with that one thing during the Super Bowl...

The government needs to grow up....

Blinky969 · Apr 9, 2004

So basically, Bushie, Johnie, and the Big Dick want to outlaw gay, interracial, and unarranged marriages because the Bible only talks about arranged marriages between two people of opposite sexes and coinciding races. The Bible also doesn't express outrage at slavery, racism, bribing officials (Abraham once pays a king several livestock to side with Abraham over a well), and polygamy, so I guess those are ok.

What a trade-off...we get a book for our freedom. HURRAH! Oh wait, no, I wanted a new LOTRs trilogy, they're much more well written.

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