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That bit always confused me. Jesus isn't God, but he's the son of God, which is God so Jesus is God except he's not really God, but part of God. Then there's the Holy Spirit who fits in somewhere.

When I accepted that, I had to resolve that Jesus was king of the Jews, Jesus was a Jew, but Jews don't believe in Jesus so Jesus didn't believe in himself? C'mon Jesus, think you can!

 

Given that yhwh means I am, it is grammatically impossible that Jesus said he wasn't.

 

• "I and my Father are one." John 10:30
  
  "Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?" John 14:9

You must not have read the gospel of John:

"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." (John 1:1) "And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." (John 1:14)

I could have sworn you have said that you were God. Shouldn't you have written that you're not Jesus?

This is a generalization and should not be used with your logic. I have met a Jew that believed in Jesus. Went to the same church as her for a few years.

 

Well, in my private life, I said I was the Christ. Due to my christian background, and reading of the gospels, I inferred that I was also God, so I said here that I was god. I have since denied all divinity and see myself as just another guy who occasionally has delusions of grandeur as a symptom of a much more serious psychosis, which, for the most part, has subsided. Unfortunately, it didn't subside until after I alienated myself around my actively christian friends by having an episode.
I could've pointlessly restated why I was having trouble understanding anything readable, but I instead chose to instigate something I knew was really stupid (as well as allowing me to mention David Carradine), as defending oneself logically against a troll is pointless. So, after Smuel showed disdain by invoking Jesus, I changed the subject again. Simple, really.

 

Christ.

Where is the flaw in using this generalization with my logic?

EDITED for more readable flow.

 

A person can have Jewish parents, and be Jewish by heritage, but having Christian beliefs means they aren't practicing Judaism. Therefore, Jews do not believe Jesus was the foretold messiah, and if someone says they're a Jew while you meet them in Church, they can literally only be Jews in name. Kindof like my grandfather, except he didn't follow Christian beliefs and in general didn't practice his religion. He also circumvented part of the kosher deal by cooking unclean animals outside of his house in an electric skillet, because he thought what was really important was that it wasn't being prepared inside.

 

Christ.

When I talk about Jews, do I have to qualify what kinds of Jews I am talking about?

 

No, because if someone practices Judaism, they're a Jew. If they believe Jesus is the messiah, they're not. By saying Jews don't believe in Jesus, the only people you'll upset are people who claim Jewry and practice Christian beliefs, Or Xyle.

 

The semantic confusion you're all having is because the word "Jew" can refer to both a set of religious practices as well as a distinct lineage. If your mother was Jewish then you are considered Jewish, regardless of whether you are a "practising Jew". On the other hand, a gentile can covert to Judaism, but still wouldn't technically be Jewish in the genetic sense.

Jonathan Miller said it best: "I'm not really a Jew, just Jew-ish."

In other words...

Yes.

 

I no longer see the point in arguing, as you brought up the problem yourself; semantics. We may as well argue the difference between any number with an infinitely repeating 9 after a decimal point and the next highest whole number.

 

You're just saying that cause you were wrong.

 

I'm not talking semantics here, I'm talking Semites!

 

Blah. I'm as wrong as any of the Jews I know.

 

What's the verse where people ask Jesus "who are you?" and he replies "I am..." and they're all like "BLASPHEMY!" and start stoning him, and Jesus runs off and hides until they go away?

So there ya go, he admitted it.

P.s. A jew who believes Jesus was/is the messiah is known as a messianic jew.

P.p.s. Re-railing, I've been chuckling about your anecdote for days, Japes. Here's hoping that was your last hostile encounter. Qaplah!

 

It seems remarkably short-sighted to use the phrase "I am" to mean "God". Whenever anyone replies to the question "Who are you?" they're likely to start with the phrase "I am...". e.g. "I am just a carpenter from Nazareth." And then everyone starts shouting "Blasphemy" and throwing things after the first two words. Was it part of some kind of vindictive practical joke? No wonder everyone hates the Jews.

 

Thankyou for spelling out the subtle humour implied in my punctuation, smuel.

You're pretty sharp, ain't ya?

 

Oh. See, I thought there WAS a verse like that.

Subtlety, eh? Tsch.

 

Spiders are the devil's handmaidens. Also, poor JJ. Deployments suck.