And I got it. And if you think Arcanum had a learning curve.... Its going to take me 2 or 3 days to figure out what I want to do in charcter creation. So far the obvious thing is bigger numbers are better. Beyond that it is a tad confusing. Looks good so far. So far is part way through the tutorial & making a few PCs. And from reading the well detailed manual, I still don't want to adventure with Paladins.