Arcanum wiki?

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  1. QuiteAbitLate

    QuiteAbitLate New Member

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    In my opinion (however biased it may be, haha) it seems that the current wikia would probably be more preferable, as it has a simpler URL and already has a basic structure.

    I also already have administrator rights to http://www.arcanum.wikia.com, which would mean we wouldn't have to wait around for an administrator change or anything. I feel that it would be alot easier to simply incorporate the information that is available on the second wikia onto the first, rather than to have to set up an entirely new wikia.

    But as I said, just my opinion, feel free to use the second wikia instead. :)
     
  2. soshial

    soshial New Member

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    Are you Bruce Caelan? The one, who created the new wiki? I agree with you that the url of your wiki looks much nicer. But yours doesn't show in Google search results pretty well. Do you know what might rectify this problem?

    May I ask you to give me administrative rights to it? I would really appreciate it. I will also have to check if it is possible to put one wiki down and make it redirect to another - I will contact the owner of the second wiki.
     
  3. QuiteAbitLate

    QuiteAbitLate New Member

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    I am indeed. :)
    I'm fairly certain that the indexing problem (with arcanum.wikia.com) is due to not as much activity on it as the other wikia; alas this is no surprise as I'm currently the only one actually editing on it at this point in time.
    I'm also fairly certain that if you, and hopefully a few others in the near future contribute to its articles, then it will move up to the front page of search results. :)

    I'm currently unaware of as to how to give someone else administrator rights, but I shall be looking into it. What's your wikia username? That would be great if you could somehow redirect the other wikia onto my one, and then any contributors on the other one will surely come onto the one I'm currently working on.

    However, as I have said, if this is too much of an issue, simply feel free to use the second wikia instead. :)
     
  4. soshial

    soshial New Member

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    It is very good that you didn't disappear like the creator of the old wiki =)

    Here's where you can edit user's permissions. Beaurocrat and admin privileges are on the right hand side after entering user's username: mine is Soshial.

    I'm not sure that we can redirect other wikia's pages directly, but we can copy the material (actually, move it), put a link to our wiki and place some info, that all data was moved to other wiki. Do you think that would be okay?

    I also created an Arcanum google+ page. In order to boost search results we might need to link the wiki and g+ page. But they ask this: [​IMG]Uploaded with ImageShack.comю

    Do you think it's possible to place this link on the Wikia?

    UPD. Also, here are the rules about CLOSING OF THE WHOLE WIKIA. We can close the other wikia only if we are admins/bearucrats. I am waiting for the answer of the creator.
     
  5. QuiteAbitLate

    QuiteAbitLate New Member

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    I've given you administrative rights. I'm not currently at home, but when I get back later this afternoon I will make sure to add the code to the wikia.

    In the set of rules you linked it says that you can apply to have wikias redirect to another wikia, so once the admin of the other wikia replies, maybe you could put in a request for that? We could possibly have each of the wikias redirect to ours to further boost the audience?

    Feel free to edit any theming on the wiki, I just set up a basic theme for the website which I was going to come back to. :)

    Edit: Would you be able to send me the link that I need to copy into the wikia? The quality of the image you posted isn't that great so I can't identify any of the text, haha.
     
  6. soshial

    soshial New Member

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    Thank you very much for granting the rights.

    Google+ asks me for this code to paste:
    Code:
    <a href="https://plus.google.com/117336186620677797465" rel="publisher">Google+</a>
    I'm still waiting for the answer of the admin of the old wiki. I will try to resend him a message.
    I just want to ask for his permission to be able freely move all the content.

    I wanted to ask you, what is the point of creating blank pages with no information?

    Where are you from by the way? :)
     
  7. QuiteAbitLate

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    Okay, cool. I'm actually currently getting a wikia username change so I can't sign in to post the code but it should be finished soon, haha.

    Yeah, fair enough we wouldn't him coming back later and yelling at us for stealing the information, haha.

    Oh! About that! I actually create the blank pages so I'm able to hyperlink the articles that I've written so I don't have to come back to it later, and it also helps me keep track of which articles I need to write, haha, sorry.

    I'm from Australia; and you?
     
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    Feel free! :)
    The more contributions the better, and the more contributions the more extensive the wikia will become. :)
     
  10. Ruda

    Ruda Active Member

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    This is probably pretty well known around here, but if you're serious about the wikia you should know that there is a fairly extensive (possibly complete) schematics guide in the RPG codex. Lots of valuable information I would think. Click here if interested.
     
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    Ahh! As I'm new here I was actually unaware of that guide!
    I'll be getting in contact with the writer of the guide to ask for permission of their information soon.
    Thanks heaps Ruda! :)
     
  12. soshial

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    Why would you want to change your username? Also, did you manage to put my link-code there? This can really boost our search results.

    As to creating blank pages: this is considered quite a bad practice. If someone reads an article and sees the blue links everywhere, one can think that all these connected articles are written already and need no addition/amendment. But if they look red, this encourages a person to write at least something on the topic. Also, we can have a real representation of how many articles we still need to write. The best practice for everyone is to have their own list on their pages.

    Also, why would you want to change the style of wiki? Honestly, I would really want to change it as well by making it less cumbersome and less overloaded. I really like minimalistic (but also neat and beautiful at the same time) designs. You think it's possible with state wikia means?

    I'm from Russia. There is a great number of Arcanum fans from Eastern European countries :)
     
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    Good news, everyone! :)

    @QuiteAbitLate! A quite active user named Matness has registered on our wiki and he moved all articles to us from the old one.

    Awesome! Now we have one wiki and can edit it without discord and dissipation of our efforts :)
    Everyone is welcome to the wiki :)
     
  14. Ruda

    Ruda Active Member

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    I would love to help with the various bits and pieces I can remember, but the site really needs to be cleaned up before most people could be bothered. The categorisation is a mess (for example you have no list for non follower NPC:s, no bestiary categories) and your pictures cover much text, going beyond their supposed borders. It's not a fun environment to work in.

    However, I didn't intend to waste this post solely on whining. Make sure to take advantage of the information stored here, and it's a real nice looking page. There is a lot of text to get you started on various beasts and location.

    Actually, if I could make a suggestion, I'd advise to to begin with lore rather than gameplay. There are quite a few guides covering gameplay aspects already. Writing walkthroughs takes an enormous amount of time and isn't very fun. Instead, start writing articles on the various locations. Use the manual, the info from the link above and the game's dialogue files (and, of course, the in game books). Begin with the nations (Cumbria, Arland, Unified Kingdom). Then the important cities (Dernholm, Caladon, Tarant). Then the important factions and characters, not the ones important to the story (Virgil, the Schuylers, Joachim etc), but the ones important to the setting and its backstory (Willoughsby and the rest of the council, king & queen of Tarant, August Farad, Praetor & Maximilliam).

    Write about the World, then the Arcanum storyline.
     
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    Sorry to be a bit late to the party, but I've gotten quite bored in the months between Uni, so I have been working on the Arcanum Wikia. Just thought I would leave a message here since this is where it all started. If you guys check out the wiki now, I've added more then 200 pages and over 1000 pictures.
     
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    Hey, it really looks quite decent now! Don't quite have the time for serious wiki-activity at the moment, but I propose that we start a few sugestion threads here for the major articles so that everyone can add what they remember even if they can't be bothered with writing actual articles.

    Again, it looks great. Impressive work!
     
  17. Jojobobo

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    Good stuff Cephean, if I get round to it I might had some contributions at some point. It's nice to see that the ground work has been laid down already.
     
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    Re:

    Thanks Ruda, I've put quite a few hours work into the wiki whenever I'm bored. Personally I'm just really happy theirs a Arcanum community still around that is really quite active. Also that would be great for people to add to the wiki wherever they can, the real difficulty I'm having with the wiki is collecting resources (e.g. pictures, videos, artwork and audio) since a lot of the old websites have been taken down.

    Right now on the wiki I'm just working on the Quests and just trying to get the basics down, so far I have just done Shrouded Hills... So still a fair few to go.
    http://arcanum.wikia.com/wiki/Quests

    Thanks for the complements Jojobobo, and any help is welcomed!
     
  19. Ruda

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    Character Index Page

    So, I've had a little free time on my hands and decided to create a list of Arcanum's many NPCs. Inspired by the character pages on the Fallout wiki I decided to write short descriptions for each character. It got...old real fast. I haven't added this to the wikia since its quite an uncathegorized mess at the moment, and since I haven't really worked on a wikia before and don't want to accidentally delete someone's material (don't know if there are saved backups and so forth). Here you go:

    Characters

    Player Characters
    Merwin Tumblebrook – halfing tech thief
    Horace McGineley – half elf mage thief
    Ke'ree Melange – half elf techno-mage diplomat
    Victoria Warrington – human beauty/mental based diplomat
    Solomon Doone – human necromancer
    Luggard Bloodstone – dwarf fighter technologist
    Godfrey Castleburger – gnome socialite technologist
    Clarisse Vorak – half orc physician technologist
    Merick Luggerton – half orc fighter
    Muck Evil Eye – dumb half ogre brawler
    Dre'n L'elor – elf mage archer
    B'elan T'Seraa – elf charismatic melee mage

    The Living One – create your own character

    Companions
    Virgil – fledgling human priest of the Panarii religion (VO)
    Sogg Mead Mug – half ogre drunkard
    Magnus – typical city dwarf (VO)
    Jayna Stiles – half elf technologist healer
    Volinger – shady gnome gunslinger and chemist
    Tollo Underhill – imprisoned halfing thief
    Gar – world's smartest orc (VO)
    Chucka – ogre bodyguard
    Perriman Smythe – human wizard, associate of Edward Willoughsby
    Sebastian – human technologist, associate of Edward Willoughsby
    Geoffrey Tarrelond Ashe – snobbish human necromancer (VO)
    Worthless Mut – beloved canine companion, a brute fang on steroids
    Dante – bitter priest, former head of the Church of Cumbria, hater of orcs
    Franklin Payne – adventurer archaeologist extraordinaire (VO!)
    Torian Kel – undead warrior of the Derian-Ka (VO)
    Loghaire Thunderstone – king of the dwarves (VO)
    Jormund – dwarf wizard, anything but typical
    Raven – acting queen of the elves of Quitarra (VO)
    Za'n Al'urin – dark elf warrior-priestess and seer (VO)
    Waromon – amazing lizard man, makes a point of being cold-blooded
    Weldo Rubin – halfing adventurer
    Murgo – half ogre half wit, good at carrying stuff
    Cynthia Boggs – human bandit, born in captivity
    Lady Druella – the most beautiful woman in the world
    Thorvald Two Stones – dwarf bandit trapped on island
    Swyft – elf maiden who wants to see the world
    Arronax – the guy you thought were the big bad. I suppose a SPOILER warning is in order. (VO)
    Kraka-tur – a Void dweller
    Bane of Kree – another Void dweller
    Gorgoth – yet another Void dweller

    Crash site (and surrounding countryside)
    (Virgil)
    Preston Radcliffe – passanger of the ISF Zephyr and owner of the mysterious ring (VO)
    Isaac Zaprunder – photographer on the ISF Zephyr
    Wilhemina Carpenter – passenger of the ISF Zephyr
    “Elf City Dweller” – mysterious assassin
    Charles Bregho – deceased human bandit
    Arballah – elf priest
    Simon Farkhus – human bandit

    Shrouded Hills
    Constaple Owens – cowardly chief constable and mayor of Shrouded Hills
    Doc Roberts – local sawbones and the town's real law
    William Radcliffe – gnome out-of-towner
    Ristezze – eccentric, if somewhat urbane, junk dealer
    Lloyd Gurloes – local blacksmith
    Bessie Toone – the now deceased owner of the Bessie Toone mine
    Percival Toone – son of Bessie Toone and current (?) owner of the mine
    (Sogg Mead Mug)
    Gaylin – elven herbalist and healer
    Jacob Bens – shady bar patron
    Jongle Dunne – local alchemist
    Hevor – dwarf savant and steam engine technician
    Lukan – “elouquent” bandit and thief
    Slim Picket – gnome shopkeeper

    (Shrouded Hills guards)
    (Bankteller)
    (Inkeeper)
    (Bartender)
    (The Bowen Gang)
    (Wise Woman)
    Ol' Bessie – local cow, pride of the town!

    Dernholm, capital of Cumbria (and surrounding countryside)
    Charles Doolan – shopkeeper and associate of Jongle Donne
    Lianna Pel Dar – skilled warrior and only child of Warren Pel Dar, captain of the Dragon Knights
    Preator – king of Cumbria
    Sir Garrick Stout – melee master and captain of the guard
    Sarah Toone – daughter of Bessie Toone
    Gladys – lonely old woman
    Archibald – grumpy old man
    Bernard – dock worker and son of Archibald
    Dudley Crosston – expert bowman in training
    Rupert – half orc junkdealer
    Wallow – human blacksmith
    (Jayna Stiles)
    (Volinger)
    (Tollo Underhill)
    (Druella)

    (Cumbrian Guard)
    (Inkeeper)
    (Bartender)
    (Bar patrons)
    (Pit prisoners)

    Blackroot (and surrounding countryside)
    Mayor of Blackroot – you guessed it!
    Garret Almsteadt – half orc blacksmith
    Clarissa Shalmo – throwing master and beautiful half orc
    Kietzel Pierce – half elf bow master on the lookout for missing student
    Daniel Hallaway – inkeeper, not too fond of Garret
    Mrs. Cameron – dabbling inventor and repairer, mother of the more talented Liam
    Liam Cameron – missing inventor
    Grünwald – german poisoner and hater of orcs
    D'ak Taan – elf thief and gang leader
    Tugal – crazy hedgewizard, owner of fancy statue
    Herkemer Oggdoddler – old soldier, veteran of the wars with Tarant and Dernholm
    Master Shipbuilder – a really good shipbuilder, hard at work
    Killian Drake – expert gambler
    (Dante)
    (Franklin Payne)

    (Inkeeper)
    (Bartender)
    (Bar patrons)
    (Conductor)
    (Ship captain)
    Naked Halfling – powerful wizard, player of the ancient game

    Tarant – Upper class, Kensington Park, City Hall and University
    Edward Willoughsby – chairman of the Industrial Council
    Lorham – his seemingly gentle bodyguard
    Heinrich Jenks – let's call him a patriot and leave it at that
    Mathew Jameson – a nasty, nasty little man
    Gilbert Bates – brilliant inventor (VO)
    Captain of Bates' Guard – a glorified doorman
    (Chucka)
    W. Thomas Moreau – broker in charge of selling a certain manor
    Cassandra Pettibone – unscrupulous upper class twit
    Evelyn Garringsburg – stolen painting lady (seriously getting sick of writing these)
    Polgram – her half ogre manservant
    Mr Franklin – overweight, but suspiciously virile gnome
    ??? - his half ogre servant
    Mr & Mrs Moorland – out-of-town nobles
    Laura – their maid
    Regina Halster – pinch-faced lady, fond of presents
    Castleton – general store owner
    Thurston – elf tailor and bar patron
    Grant – owner of Grant's tavern
    J.T. Morat – master of finance and bar patron (likely a member of the Industrial Council)
    ??? & ??? - his half ogre bodyguards
    Smythe – gunsmith and gun store owner
    Wallow – dwarf blacksmith
    Geoffrey – inventor, shares a shop with Anna
    Anna – herbalist, shares a shop with Geoffrey
    Delores Beston – a big, fat fraud
    Victor Wright – editor of the Tarantian
    Frederick T. Fitzgerald – a self-proclaimed legend, also spot traps master
    H.T Parnell – owner of H.T Parnell's museum
    (Gar)
    Sammie White – a jovial little halfing, fond of insults, master pickpocket
    Thom Grak – half orc conspirator (never quite got his part in it)
    Barach – owner of a daytime mage shop
    Xe'rad – magesmith hexsmith whatever you call it
    Zaramin – owner of nighttime mage shop
    Jared – captain of the Vermillion Station guard
    Benjamin Gershwin – the greatest phrenologist ever
    Professor Eakins – adequate demonologist
    Aldous Buxington – decent theologian
    University Bookseller – pretty self explanatory
    Dr Tristan Fenwick – head of the Zoological Society and some sort of master methinks
    “Half orc city dweller” – an assistant of Dr Fenwick
    Librarian – university librarian
    Mr Langley – doorman at the Bridesdale Inn
    Doorman – doorman at the Wellington
    Wendell Wellington – greasy little gnome, owner of the Wellington
    Matt de Caeasar – just another drunk, or is he...
    “Dark Elf Noble” – a suspicious looking patron of the Wellington, probably up to no good
    Gurin Rockharrow – dwarf master gambler, fond of newspapers
    Panarii Priest – a priest of the Panarii religion
    James Kingsford – the front man of P. Schuyler & Sons
    Pelonious Schuyler – the deceased owner of P. Schuyler & Sons
    Winston Schuyler – the talkative Schuyler brother and current owner of the family business
    Niles Schuyler – co owner and brother
    Edward Schuyler – co owner and brother
    (Magnus)
    (Perriman Smythe)

    (Bartender)
    (Bar patrons)
    (Bates' guards)
    (Bates' staff)
    (Conductor)
    (Tarantian officers)

    Tarant – Lower class, Docks and Factory District
    Madam Lil – the proprietor of a house of ill repute
    Bunny – half elf kink
    Willow – human youth
    Cassie – human sub
    Alice – half orc dom
    Belle – sheep (dom?)
    Nicholas – half ogre bartender/bouncer
    **Female Gnome – lady in the brothel's backroom
    Poone – owner of a flophouse bearing his name
    Joseph (?) – dwarf stonecutter, makes tombstones
    Mr Black – though shady looking character, expert thief and fence
    Simon Plough – owner of rat infested warehouse
    Thaddeus Mynor – head of the Thieves Underground
    Stanton – head of Stanton Importers, current owner of the Bessie Toone mine
    Cedric Appleby – crappy inventor
    Madame Tussaud – evidently the real deal
    Rorry Limes – a dirty, dirty half orc thief
    Councilman Braithe (or Babcock?) – member of the Industrial Council, champion of orcish rights
    Donn Throgg – charismatic half orc activist and unionizer
    Foreman – head of Bates' factory
    Captain Wheeler – captain of Tarantian guard, carries one hell of a machine gun
    Charles (?) – dwarf technologist in charge of the Water and Power Plant

    (Ship captain)
    (Factory workers)
    (Bates' guards)
    (Tarantian officers)
    (Orc thugs)
    (Dockworkers)
    (Wise Woman)

    Tarant – The Boil
    Darian Maug – cunning gangster, leader of clan Maug
    Pollock – brutal gangster, leader of clan Pollock
    Milo – perfumed gnome, member of clan Maug
    Muggs – dwarf thug, recruiter for clan Maug
    Miranda Tears – fierce knife fighter, recruiter for clan Pollock
    Larrs – poor sod
    Caleb Malloy – badass barkeep
    Malek Nebbs – stick-up man, member of clan Maug
    Treat – half orc snake man, Black Legion remnant
    Mellin Bungerton – halfling junk dealer with prices just short of highway robbery.
    (Sebastian)

    (Bar patrons)
    (Tarantian officers)
    (Thugs/Bandits)

    Ashbury
    Mayor of Ashbury – an important government official, I would wager

    to be continued...

    As you can see it's not nowhere near done, but I believe I've covered all the locations mentioned entirely. Their are a few question marks relating to characters whose names I've forgotten and there are likely a few spelling mistakes.

    Now I realize that I haven't been entirely consistent. I figured that to be included on the character list an NPC had to fulfill one or more of the following:

    1. Have a "known" name not "Human Villager"
    2. Have unique dialogue self explanatory
    3. Be mentioned by another character or in game text AND be present in the game Polgram is an in game character and is mentioned by Evelyn Garringsburg but doesn't have any dialogue (and is referred to by the game as "Half Ogre City Dweller" or similar) and is included. Mr Garringsburg on the other hand isn't included. He is mentioned by Evelyn and at least two newspapers but can't be found anywhere. While he may eventually have a personal wiki entry he shouldn't be on the NPC list

    I noticed a while in that I hadn't been following my own rules (Note: my rules, i.e. just suggestions. Please make it known if you disagree) by including various shopkeepers. While they have dialogue (and some of them have their names referenced in their stores' names) these dialogues aren't unique (shared with other general store clerks, junk dealers, blacksmiths) and they don't have a "known" name. While Charles Doolan and Lloyd Gurloes obviously should be included, would you say the same for Slim Picket (of Slim Picket's) or Rupert (of Rupert's House of Well Worn Effects)?

    I've also parenthesized some entries. These either shouldn't be on the list but were written down for my own recollection or have been written down twice (followers etc).
     
  20. Cephean

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    Re: Character Index Page


    Not to sure what happened to my last comment, I can only guess it is still yet to be approved; I hope this one will get through. But I ended up just adding all of your awesome character summaries to this page:
    http://arcanum.wikia.com/wiki/NPC%27s_and_Followers
    Very unedited still, and if anyone could be bothered putting it into alphabetical order that would be great. And ill guess i will just go back to working on the page. :)
     
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